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Post by witchfinder on May 5, 2024 14:59:53 GMT
What Hamas did on October 7th 2023 was despicable, inexcusable and fully deserves punishment ( to those who committed the crimes ), what the IDF are doing, and have done in Gaza is unwarranted, unacceptable, involves war crimes EQUALLY as bad as what Hamas did ( depriving innocent people of shelter, food, medical help, water and electricity ). Yet, on your previous account that stated that the Israelis reaped what they sow on the 8th of October 2023, long before there was any response. Perhaps you said the same about Americans the day after 9/11 or even British folk on 7/7. You see, you can try and be all things to all people, but only an idiot would fail to see through you. You are and forever will be a bad person. Not sure what you mean in your opening sentence, but I can categoricaly state that at no time have I ever stated, suggested or hinted that those innocent Israeli civilians deserved what happened to them. In the aftermath of 911, the Americans did not carpet bomb Pakistan, or bomb anywhere in Pakistan, and in the aftermath of 7/7, our government never sought revenge upon all Muslims, in both instances we and the Americans went after the people who had committed those terrorist acts. In modern warfare, CIVILISED nations refrain from indiscriminate bombing, the coalition never did it in Iraq, NATO never did it in Bosnia or in the former Yugoslavia. In recent years only Russia have been guilty of destroying entire towns and citys in Syria and in Ukraine, and now Israel is guilty of the same crimes which have brought about much criticism from the West, from the United States and from Europe. I do not accept that 34,000 people dead, and entire townships flattened is the unfortunate periphery damage caused by war, and I do not accept that cutting off basic necessities of life such as water is acceptable. |
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Post by Bentley on May 5, 2024 15:57:35 GMT
You’re wrong then. It was started by the massacre of Jews by Hamas terrorists. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2024 16:17:25 GMT
Yet, on your previous account that stated that the Israelis reaped what they sow on the 8th of October 2023, long before there was any response. Perhaps you said the same about Americans the day after 9/11 or even British folk on 7/7. You see, you can try and be all things to all people, but only an idiot would fail to see through you. You are and forever will be a bad person. Not sure what you mean in your opening sentence, but I can categoricaly state that at no time have I ever stated, suggested or hinted that those innocent Israeli civilians deserved what happened to them. In the aftermath of 911, the Americans did not carpet bomb Pakistan, or bomb anywhere in Pakistan, and in the aftermath of 7/7, our government never sought revenge upon all Muslims, in both instances we and the Americans went after the people who had committed those terrorist acts. In modern warfare, CIVILISED nations refrain from indiscriminate bombing, the coalition never did it in Iraq, NATO never did it in Bosnia or in the former Yugoslavia. In recent years only Russia have been guilty of destroying entire towns and citys in Syria and in Ukraine, and now Israel is guilty of the same crimes which have brought about much criticism from the West, from the United States and from Europe. I do not accept that 34,000 people dead, and entire townships flattened is the unfortunate periphery damage caused by war, and I do not accept that cutting off basic necessities of life such as water is acceptable. You stated that the Israelis reap what they sow straight after thousands of young Israelis were raped, slaughtered and captured by the Palestinians. That was your position from the start.
Israel hasn't sought revenge on all Muslims, they're trying to eliminate Hamas, a terrorism organisation who hides behind the people who elected them. There are Muslim countries who don't support Hamas or even give a shit about them. That's the real world. Your propaganda is shameless and sick even for a Labour party supporter.
What you accept is irrelevant. People like you encourage Hamas. For you, Hamas and all their propaganda toads it's all about trying to shame Israel, which is why Hamas engage in terrorism. You are part of the problem, and you're either too stupid to see it, or just another depraved Jihadi.
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Post by johnofgwent on May 5, 2024 16:52:41 GMT
You’re wrong then. It was started by the massacre of Jews by Hamas terrorists. In reality the Jews and Arabs have been at each other for millennia, with particular emphasis on antics since some twat in the British government intimated the Jews being handed back the land they vacated a few millennia ago.. In reality I tire of the whole business. |
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Post by Bentley on May 5, 2024 17:12:37 GMT
You’re wrong then. It was started by the massacre of Jews by Hamas terrorists. In reality the Jews and Arabs have been at each other for millennia, with particular emphasis on antics since some twat in the British government intimated the Jews being handed back the land they vacated a few millennia ago.. In reality I tire of the whole business. True but the war , this war, was started by the actions of Hamas terrorists. |
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Post by Totheleft on May 5, 2024 19:15:11 GMT
What Hamas did on October 7th 2023 was despicable, inexcusable and fully deserves punishment ( to those who committed the crimes ), what the IDF are doing, and have done in Gaza is unwarranted, unacceptable, involves war crimes EQUALLY as bad as what Hamas did ( depriving innocent people of shelter, food, medical help, water and electricity ). Yet, on your previous account that stated that the Israelis reaped what they sow on the 8th of October 2023, long before there was any response. Perhaps you said the same about Americans the day after 9/11 or even British folk on 7/7. You see, you can try and be all things to all people, but only an idiot would fail to see through you. You are and forever will be a bad person. You did say 7/7 was down to Blair invasion in Iraq. Being a apologiest for the Islamic terrorism. |
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Post by Totheleft on May 5, 2024 19:23:21 GMT
I made my point very clearly. You want to misrepresent my views,fill your boots. Do I believe in the rights of the Palestinian people? Yes. Do I support Hamas? No. Do I abhor all killing? Yes. Where are you and your mates when Muslims slaughter Muslims ? Where are the banners and condemnation then? I’m asking separately and out of curiosity.😁 I agree with you on this point And think the IDF should wipe out Hammas Terrorist. But Indistinct bombing of civilians and cutting water supply and restricted human aid isn't a part of modern war fair. |
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Post by Bentley on May 5, 2024 19:45:50 GMT
Where are you and your mates when Muslims slaughter Muslims ? Where are the banners and condemnation then? I’m asking separately and out of curiosity.😁 I agree with you on this point And think the IDF should wipe out Hammas Terrorist. But Indistinct bombing of civilians and cutting water supply and restricted human aid isn't a part of modern war fair. I disagree . Modern warfare all too often leads to high civilian casualties…afaik. |
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Post by dodgydave on May 5, 2024 23:27:39 GMT
Where are you and your mates when Muslims slaughter Muslims ? Where are the banners and condemnation then? I’m asking separately and out of curiosity.😁 I agree with you on this point And think the IDF should wipe out Hammas Terrorist. But Indistinct bombing of civilians and cutting water supply and restricted human aid isn't a part of modern war fair. A 2:1 ratio of civilians deaths vs military is actually pretty good even by modern standards. What exactly should Israel do? There will be no cease fire, there will be no two states solution... because the slaughter of last October was not "freedom fighting"... it was about destablising the Middle East. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2024 5:45:29 GMT
LOL - a semi-literate simpleton, who is protesting for a Hamas apologist, literally accused me of apologising for Islamic terrorism. Hilarious, but as we can see they lie through their teeth. The 7/7 bombers were motivated by al-Qaeda and used Tony Blair's invasion of Iraq and the war in Afghanstan as the excuse for their terrorist attacks, despite the fact that these wars followed from the Islamic terrorist attack on 9/11. You can find this on wikipedia. Tony Blair opened the borders to Islamists, engaged in a war on terror, balkanised the UK and used the Left to attack the British people who objected to the Islamification of the UK, which is now a reality in politics. Islamic terrorists kill people. Other people respond. More Islamic terrorists kill people using the previous response as the excuse. Repeat cycle. Two of the 7/7 "Islamic terrorists" were from Leeds, England. The same Leeds that has just elected the Green Party's Islamist councillor who declared his victory a victory for Gaza, whilst shouting "Allahu Akbar". www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13384283/Moment-Green-Party-councillor-shouts-Allahu-Akbar-elected-Leeds-declares-victory-win-people-Gaza.htmlThis is what the establishment parties have created, which is something that was predicted would happen many years ago. Of course, the Left (IslamoLeft) simply attacked the people who were trying to address this growing concern. |
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Post by witchfinder on May 6, 2024 7:27:47 GMT
To say that the Israeli's "reap what they sow" is not the same as condoning violence or terrorism, or in the case of October 7th 2023, the cold blooded murder of innocent civilians.
The Israeli's "Sow the seeds" of bitterness, hatred, anger and a will on the part of many Palestinians to seek revenge upon Israel for generations of servitude, and for the refusal to take seriously the righful claim to a free and independent Palestine.
The Israeli's have "sown the seeds of anger" for treating Palestinians ( on their own land ) like 3rd class citizens, walling them in, stealing land every day, shooting children, often dead.
Only yesterday the Palestinians killed three more Israeli soldiers, for how many more years does Israel wish this to continue. ? When will enough Israeli and Palestinian deaths be enough ?
There is only one way to break the circle of death and misery, and that is a two state solution, and breaking Hamas WILL NOT stop the violence, it will not stop Palestinian anger and bitterness, the Israeli's might kill Hamas fighters ( and thousands of innocent Palestinians ), but they cannot break their will and their desire for freedom, when Israel's current operation ends, the Palestinian fight goes on.
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Post by Pacifico on May 6, 2024 7:32:15 GMT
'and that is a two state solution'
..already rejected (several times) by the Palestinians..
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Post by witchfinder on May 6, 2024 7:39:44 GMT
Rejected by the Palestinians on Isreali terms, which included keeping stolen lands
The Israeli's are not serious about finding a solution, if they were, then the theft of Palestinian land on an almost daily basis would stop. If the Israeli's were serious about finding a solution, the building of Israeli homes on Palestinian territory would stop.
Recently, the Israeli's have stated that a two state solution "is not on the agenda"
East Jerusalem is Palestinian territory, recognised by most of the world as Palestinian, the Israeli's occupied it and annexed it, we in the West refer to the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza as "The Occupied Territories" (Legal term)
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Post by sheepy on May 6, 2024 7:44:31 GMT
Rejected by the Palestinians on Isreali terms, which included keeping stolen lands The Israeli's are not serious about finding a solution, if they were, then the theft of Palestinian land on an almost daily basis would stop. If the Israeli's were serious about finding a solution, the building of Israeli homes on Palestinian territory would stop. Recently, the Israeli's have stated that a two state solution "is not on the agenda" East Jerusalem is Palestinian territory, recognised by most of the world as Palestinian, the Israeli's occupied it and annexed it, we in the West refer to the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza as "The Occupied Territories" (Legal term) We all knew that anyway, Pacifico has become a complete propagandist. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2024 7:44:52 GMT
'and that is a two state solution' ..already rejected (several times) by the Palestinians.. In favour of Hamas terrorists, because they've been brainwashed since school age with the promise of the genocide of Jews from Israel. Our own universities are pushing Hamas' shit, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was being pushed in schools in certain areas of England.
I have to also keep in mind that the Hamas boys on here also scream about banning GB News, because they don't approve of news and opinion outside of the BBC and The Guardian.
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