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Post by andrewbrown on May 5, 2024 10:28:27 GMT
I want the genocide stopped in Gaza. I don't hate Israel, but I do hate what Israel is doing. Yup a virtue signalling ‘ hate the ‘ crime doesn’t mean hating the criminal ‘ Hamas supporter. I made my point very clearly. You want to misrepresent my views,fill your boots. Do I believe in the rights of the Palestinian people? Yes. Do I support Hamas? No. Do I abhor all killing? Yes. |
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Post by Bentley on May 5, 2024 10:32:35 GMT
Yup a virtue signalling ‘ hate the ‘ crime doesn’t mean hating the criminal ‘ Hamas supporter. I made my point very clearly. You want to misrepresent my views,fill your boots. Do I believe in the rights of the Palestinian people? Yes. Do I support Hamas? No. Do I abhor all killing? Yes. I made my point clearly . Hamas is clearly responsible for the destruction of the community it represents. ‘Yes but no but’ isn’t a clear stance |
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Post by Bentley on May 5, 2024 10:38:19 GMT
Yup a virtue signalling ‘ hate the ‘ crime doesn’t mean hating the criminal ‘ Hamas supporter. I made my point very clearly. You want to misrepresent my views,fill your boots. Do I believe in the rights of the Palestinian people? Yes. Do I support Hamas? No. Do I abhor all killing? Yes. Where are you and your mates when Muslims slaughter Muslims ? Where are the banners and condemnation then? I’m asking separately and out of curiosity.😁 |
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Post by witchfinder on May 5, 2024 10:39:21 GMT
The posters with tunnel vision seem to think that you are either (A) a supporter of Israel, or (B) a supporter of Hamas, its binary, with no room for any other opinion which does not fit the two opposing, binary options, yet I have explained my position many times, but it never seems to sink in.
I did leave the forum once, the reason been that I was wrongly labeled an "Anti Semite", which I took exception to, and found it to be insulting.
A person or persons who oppose what the Israeli Defence Forces are doing in Gaza is NOT automatically either anti-Israel, pro Hamas or an anti-semite, and to suggest such is utterly ridiculous.
A person who is Pro Palestinian, or who supports the Two State Solution, or who sympathises with the many thousands of civilians killed in Gaza by the IDF IS NOT automatically a Hamas supporter.
What Hamas did on October 7th 2023 was despicable, inexcusable and fully deserves punishment ( to those who committed the crimes ), what the IDF are doing, and have done in Gaza is unwarranted, unacceptable, involves war crimes EQUALLY as bad as what Hamas did ( depriving innocent people of shelter, food, medical help, water and electricity ).
It all comes down to ..... Two wrongs do not make a right
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Post by Bentley on May 5, 2024 10:46:24 GMT
The posters with tunnel vision seem to think that you are either (A) a supporter of Israel, or (B) a supporter of Hamas, its binary, with no room for any other opinion which does not fit the two opposing, binary options, yet I have explained my position many times, but it never seems to sink in. I did leave the forum once, the reason been that I was wrongly labeled an "Anti Semite", which I took exception to, and found it to be insulting. A person or persons who oppose what the Israeli Defence Forces are doing in Gaza is NOT automatically either anti-Israel, pro Hamas or an anti-semite, and to suggest such is utterly ridiculous. A person who is Pro Palestinian, or who supports the Two State Solution, or who sympathises with the many thousands of civilians killed in Gaza by the IDF IS NOT automatically a Hamas supporter. What Hamas did on October 7th 2023 was despicable, inexcusable and fully deserves punishment ( to those who committed the crimes ), what the IDF are doing, and have done in Gaza is unwarranted, unacceptable, involves war crimes EQUALLY as bad as what Hamas did ( depriving innocent people of shelter, food, medical help, water and electricity ). It all comes down to ..... Two wrongs do not make a right Take a banner into the ‘ pro Palestinian’ demonstration demanding Hamas to surrender for even give up the hostages and see how long you last. A Jew looking Jewish wasn’t safe so you wouldn’t last a minute . As for Israel . They are doing what the Allies did in WW2. They are destroying an enemy that wants to destroy them . Thats war and they didn’t start that war .They are not going to stop because you and your mates don’t like it . |
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Post by sheepy on May 5, 2024 10:51:44 GMT
Yup a virtue signalling ‘ hate the ‘ crime doesn’t mean hating the criminal ‘ Hamas supporter. I made my point very clearly. You want to misrepresent my views,fill your boots. Do I believe in the rights of the Palestinian people? Yes. Do I support Hamas? No. Do I abhor all killing? Yes. But your view is in complete contrast to the party line (establishment planned view) so don't expect an easy ride from those espousing the establishment view, just saying. They are known to make up anything, so it fits the party line. |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 5, 2024 10:59:22 GMT
I made my point very clearly. You want to misrepresent my views,fill your boots. Do I believe in the rights of the Palestinian people? Yes. Do I support Hamas? No. Do I abhor all killing? Yes. Where are you and your mates when Muslims slaughter Muslims ? Where are the banners and condemnation then? I’m asking separately and out of curiosity.😁 I think "I abhor all killing" answers your question. I've visited both Israel and Palestine. It's not about taking sides, it's about limiting the violence. We need a peaceful solution, killing 30odd thousand people and destroying the buildings leaving millions of people with nothing is not achieving that aim. What I take issue with is with you trying to interpret that as "supporting Hamas", when it's no such thing. I don't know whither you're doing it to provoke, or whether you genuinely don't understand that position? |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 5, 2024 11:02:58 GMT
I made my point very clearly. You want to misrepresent my views,fill your boots. Do I believe in the rights of the Palestinian people? Yes. Do I support Hamas? No. Do I abhor all killing? Yes. But your view is in complete contrast to the party line (establishment planned view) so don't expect an easy ride from those espousing the establishment view, just saying. They are known to make up anything, so it fits the party line. I don't have a party, so not sure who you are referring to. I'm naturally a LibDem or Green, but have become a tactical voter. I don't owe anyone any allegiance. |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 5, 2024 11:03:52 GMT
I made my point very clearly. You want to misrepresent my views,fill your boots. Do I believe in the rights of the Palestinian people? Yes. Do I support Hamas? No. Do I abhor all killing? Yes. But your view is in complete contrast to the party line (establishment planned view) so don't expect an easy ride from those espousing the establishment view, just saying. They are known to make up anything, so it fits the party line. I don't have a party, so not sure who you are referring to. I'm naturally a LibDem or Green, but have become a tactical voter. I don't owe anyone any allegiance. |
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Post by sheepy on May 5, 2024 11:28:28 GMT
But your view is in complete contrast to the party line (establishment planned view) so don't expect an easy ride from those espousing the establishment view, just saying. They are known to make up anything, so it fits the party line. I don't have a party, so not sure who you are referring to. I'm naturally a LibDem or Green, but have become a tactical voter. I don't owe anyone any allegiance. What is happening is although people will say you are wrong and don't like your voice, eventually you will be on the right side of history. It has happened many times. Eventually politicians will have to stop playing off both sides of the fence and realise only a two-state solution will bring the peace for both sides. I bet our history graduate can prove me right. |
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Post by wapentake on May 5, 2024 11:40:07 GMT
I don't have a party, so not sure who you are referring to. I'm naturally a LibDem or Green, but have become a tactical voter. I don't owe anyone any allegiance. What is happening is although people will say you are wrong and don't like your voice, eventually you will be on the right side of history. It has happened many times. Eventually politicians will have to stop playing off both sides of the fence and realise only a two-state solution will bring the peace for both sides. I bet our history graduate can prove me right. And there it is the only solution that neither wants to make,and if you support Israel you are righteous and if you say no some of what’s happening is wrong and you are a Jew hater. (According to some) Blessed is the Nutanyahu and the promised land is his by fair means or foul….mainly foul. |
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Post by jonksy on May 5, 2024 11:41:25 GMT
‘We are determined’: George Galloway threatens to wreak havoc for Starmer: ‘We want a hung Parliament’George Galloway says he is determined to bring about a hung Parliament in a challenge to Sir Keir Starmer’s Labour.The Workers’ Party leader has already made clear his intention to stand candidates everywhere.
Labour are desperate to win over Hamas supporters, but they know they can't be as obvious about it as the last Labour leader. The Labour party dunces have little on offer except propaganda and insults, and claims that a vote for Galloway is a vote for the Tories. They think they're being sly.  There is one thing we can be sure of mate if sir kneel gets to infest no 10 we will all be HUNG out to dry. |
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Post by johnofgwent on May 5, 2024 11:46:52 GMT
Pie in the sky....Or wishfull tory thinking? If the Tories hold their nerve, millions could still return to fold... For instance, if Rishi Sunak says he can still win, an 'impartial' news bulletin will report that he 'insists' he can, a verb clearly expressing doubt that he is right. Yet none of those who ceaselessly presume the outcome of the poll can possibly know it. As quickly as pollsters develop methods that correct their past mistakes, new variables come into play. And the pollsters' language suggests much more movement than there actually is.....
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Post by johnofgwent on May 5, 2024 11:52:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2024 12:46:27 GMT
What Hamas did on October 7th 2023 was despicable, inexcusable and fully deserves punishment ( to those who committed the crimes ), what the IDF are doing, and have done in Gaza is unwarranted, unacceptable, involves war crimes EQUALLY as bad as what Hamas did ( depriving innocent people of shelter, food, medical help, water and electricity ). Yet, on your previous account that stated that the Israelis reaped what they sow on the 8th of October 2023, long before there was any response. Perhaps you said the same about Americans the day after 9/11 or even British folk on 7/7. You see, you can try and be all things to all people, but only an idiot would fail to see through you. You are and forever will be a bad person. |
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