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Post by ProVeritas on May 6, 2024 9:24:31 GMT
'and that is a two state solution' ..already rejected (several times) by the Palestinians.. Been rejected consistently since 1978 by Benjamin Netanyahu. Even when the official Israeli state position was to accept a 2SS. Heck, the Times Of Israel ran a report in 2022 that Netanyahu and Ben Gvir were complicit in the assassination of pro-2SS Israeli PM Yitzhak Rabin. LINKWith Itamar Ban Gvir boasting on TV about vandalising Rabin's car and admitting: "We got to his car, and we’ll get to him, too,”. The current Israeli regime is more Anti-2SS than any Israeli government ever; and has deliberately provoked Palestinian attacks, sacrificing Israeli Jews to do so, to undermine any remaining hope of a 2SS being possible. All The Best |
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Post by Bentley on May 6, 2024 10:28:57 GMT
To say that the Israeli's "reap what they sow" is not the same as condoning violence or terrorism, or in the case of October 7th 2023, the cold blooded murder of innocent civilians. The Israeli's "Sow the seeds" of bitterness, hatred, anger and a will on the part of many Palestinians to seek revenge upon Israel for generations of servitude, and for the refusal to take seriously the righful claim to a free and independent Palestine. The Israeli's have "sown the seeds of anger" for treating Palestinians ( on their own land ) like 3rd class citizens, walling them in, stealing land every day, shooting children, often dead. Only yesterday the Palestinians killed three more Israeli soldiers, for how many more years does Israel wish this to continue. ? When will enough Israeli and Palestinian deaths be enough ? There is only one way to break the circle of death and misery, and that is a two state solution, and breaking Hamas WILL NOT stop the violence, it will not stop Palestinian anger and bitterness, the Israeli's might kill Hamas fighters ( and thousands of innocent Palestinians ), but they cannot break their will and their desire for freedom, when Israel's current operation ends, the Palestinian fight goes on.Palestinian ‘ leaders’ will never be happy until Israel is destroyed. The fight will always go on ….but not for a while in Gazas case. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 6, 2024 10:31:20 GMT
Rejected by the Palestinians on Isreali terms, which included keeping stolen lands That is the trouble - the Palestinians regard all the land of the old Mandate as theirs, there is no room for 2 states in the Palestinian view. The Palestinians have rejected every suggestion for 2 States since 1937. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 6, 2024 10:32:41 GMT
'and that is a two state solution' ..already rejected (several times) by the Palestinians.. Been rejected consistently since 1978 by Benjamin Netanyahu. Even when the official Israeli state position was to accept a 2SS. Heck, the Times Of Israel ran a report in 2022 that Netanyahu and Ben Gvir were complicit in the assassination of pro-2SS Israeli PM Yitzhak Rabin. With Itamar Ban Gvir boasting on TV about vandalising Rabin's car and admitting: "We got to his car, and we’ll get to him, too,”. The current Israeli regime is more Anti-2SS than any Israeli government ever; and has deliberately provoked Palestinian attacks, sacrificing Israeli Jews to do so, to undermine any remaining hope of a 2SS being possible. All The Best There could have been a 2 state solution decades before Netanyahu came to power - unfortunately the Palestinians rejected it every time. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 6, 2024 12:45:07 GMT
Getting back on topic for a moment lol. I can see why Sunak is saying we are heading for a hung parliament, whether he is right or wrong is irrelevant, but I can see why he is saying it, and it makes sense. It may persuade Tory voters who are considering voting Reform UK, people like me, to think again. If Tory voters think voting Reform UK may pave the way for a Labour/SNP/LibDem/Green coalition (What a nightmare) they may well hold their nose and vote conservative.
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Post by Fairsociety on May 6, 2024 12:47:14 GMT
Getting back on topic for a moment lol. I can see why Sunak is saying we are heading for a hung parliament, whether he is right or wrong is irrelevant, but I can see why he is saying it, and it makes sense. It may persuade Tory voters who are considering voting Reform UK, people like me, to think again. If Tory voters think voting Reform UK may pave the way for a Labour/SNP/LibDem/Green coalition (What a nightmare) they may well hold their nose and vote conservative. The ideal scenario would be a Tory/Reform coalition, we might start seeing some real action. |
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Post by jonksy on May 6, 2024 12:49:58 GMT
Getting back on topic for a moment lol. I can see why Sunak is saying we are heading for a hung parliament, whether he is right or wrong is irrelevant, but I can see why he is saying it, and it makes sense. It may persuade Tory voters who are considering voting Reform UK, people like me, to think again. If Tory voters think voting Reform UK may pave the way for a Labour/SNP/LibDem/Green coalition (What a nightmare) they may well hold their nose and vote conservative. The ideal scenario would be a Tory/Reform coalition, we might start seeing some real action. I would like to see both Boris and Nige throw their hats in the ring....It would certainly rattle the cage of the lefty remainers and showflakes.. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 6, 2024 12:51:45 GMT
Getting back on topic for a moment lol. I can see why Sunak is saying we are heading for a hung parliament, whether he is right or wrong is irrelevant, but I can see why he is saying it, and it makes sense. It may persuade Tory voters who are considering voting Reform UK, people like me, to think again. If Tory voters think voting Reform UK may pave the way for a Labour/SNP/LibDem/Green coalition (What a nightmare) they may well hold their nose and vote conservative. The ideal scenario would be a Tory/Reform coalition, we might start seeing some real action. Absolutely, couldn't agree more. Prime minister Braverman and deputy prime minister Tice, with Farage as Home Secretary. That's what I call a dream team, they would frighten the EU to death that's for sure. |
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Post by ProVeritas on May 6, 2024 13:50:09 GMT
Been rejected consistently since 1978 by Benjamin Netanyahu. Even when the official Israeli state position was to accept a 2SS. Heck, the Times Of Israel ran a report in 2022 that Netanyahu and Ben Gvir were complicit in the assassination of pro-2SS Israeli PM Yitzhak Rabin. With Itamar Ban Gvir boasting on TV about vandalising Rabin's car and admitting: "We got to his car, and we’ll get to him, too,”. The current Israeli regime is more Anti-2SS than any Israeli government ever; and has deliberately provoked Palestinian attacks, sacrificing Israeli Jews to do so, to undermine any remaining hope of a 2SS being possible. All The Best There could have been a 2 state solution decades before Netanyahu came to power - unfortunately the Palestinians rejected it every time. Except they haven't always rejected it. The PLO /PA accepted it in principle in 1982. However, the Likud manifesto of 1977 included the following: " Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty." LINKIt also includes this: " A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," - showing Likud has ALWAYS been vehemently opposed to a 2SS and the creation of a Palestinian State. Hams and Likud both push agendas not always supported by their respective peoples : 2009, the majority of both Palestinians and Israelis want a 2SS - LinkGo on, tell me the ongoing conflict is only ever the Arabs' fault again. Can't think of a better way of outing yourself as a racist though. However, I am sure you will claim that I (the person who blames BOTH sides) is a racist instead. May I remind you of Matthew 7:1-5 - seems appropriate here. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on May 6, 2024 13:51:40 GMT
The ideal scenario would be a Tory/Reform coalition, we might start seeing some real action. Absolutely, couldn't agree more. Prime minister Braverman and deputy prime minister Tice, with Farage as Home Secretary. That's what I call a dream team, they would frighten the EU to death that's for sure. The country would be on its arse within weeks Braverman is not fit to hold any public office, and Farage and Tice couldn't run a fucking tuckshop between them. Those three together would make Liz Truss look competent. All The Best |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 6, 2024 13:58:38 GMT
As Richard Tice's stated raison d'etre for the Reform Party is to destroy the Tories, why on earth would he prop them up? 🤔
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Post by Red Rackham on May 6, 2024 14:04:27 GMT
Absolutely, couldn't agree more. Prime minister Braverman and deputy prime minister Tice, with Farage as Home Secretary. That's what I call a dream team, they would frighten the EU to death that's for sure. The country would be on its arse within weeks Braverman is not fit to hold any public office, and Farage and Tice couldn't run a fucking tuckshop between them. Those three together would make Liz Truss look competent. All The Best You would rather have prime minister Starmer? LOLS.  And lets not forget, he didn't just kneel for BLM, he said a woman can have a cock, and a man in a dress is in-fact, a woman. Prime minister my arse. He's the queen of virtue signalling. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 6, 2024 14:06:58 GMT
As Richard Tice's stated raison d'etre for the Reform Party is to destroy the Tories, why on earth would he prop them up? 🤔 I'm sure Clegg said similar, just before becoming Cameron's deputy prime minister. |
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Post by thomas on May 6, 2024 14:07:35 GMT
As Richard Tice's stated raison d'etre for the Reform Party is to destroy the Tories, why on earth would he prop them up? 🤔 I wondered that. Im sure I read that guy Habib mouthing the same on numerous interviews. ? |
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Post by ProVeritas on May 6, 2024 14:08:53 GMT
The country would be on its arse within weeks Braverman is not fit to hold any public office, and Farage and Tice couldn't run a fucking tuckshop between them. Those three together would make Liz Truss look competent. All The Best You would rather have prime minister Starmer? LOLS. And lets not forget, he didn't just kneel for BLM, he said a woman can have a cock, and a man in a dress is in-fact, a woman. Prime minister my arse. He's the queen of virtue signalling. I'd rather have PM Count Binface than Braverman or Farage; he got more votes in London than Britain First (LOL that is so fucking funny) All The Best |
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