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Post by johnofgwent on May 7, 2024 20:17:13 GMT
To add to the points you make When Boris implemented the need for photo id it was not clear TO ME whether i would have any as the reality today regarding acceptance of EXPIRED id was unclear TO ME I therefore applied for and got a free Voter Authentication Certificate. It was no more difficult than the process to get my bus pass (which i could have used, actually) and the photo was from my webcam. It took about 10 min to apply for, took a week to come and all our public libraries put adverts in bus stations saying you could use THEIR computers to apply if you didn't have one. So they did bend over backwards to make getting one easy On turning up to vote, the guy in tbe polling station did not know about the what to do with it though, it being the firdt they had seen đđ My sister did a polling station shift last week (there were 54 pages of training beforehand to be completed) so I asked her - checking the id is done by handing it to the clerk who checks validity and whilst holding it asks the voter their name which must match the name on the id . Specifically (as mentioned in another thread) neither of the individuals behind the desk knew exactly which boxes to tick on their forms, and the number of tally marks on the record of type of Id shown indicated that by 7pm I was the first to present this ID They had to ring up someone to ask the exact procedure We are the highest price property area for eight miles. In contrast the polling station up the road where my daughter voted, which has the bulk of Newport's EMPLOYED impoverished knew what to do with it as soon as they saw it. The sink estate renowned for being the home if all the thieves muggers and dealers once again returned Newport's lowest turnout. Last time they had a zero turnout. Hardly surprising really. The idea of Bettws housing tenants voting for a policeman is as absurd as turkeys voting for christmas |
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Post by witchfinder on May 7, 2024 20:59:28 GMT
Think about this
The returning officers department at your local authority, sends you a card with a reference number on which is your specific, individual number. The card is addressed tou you, these days the number is concealed until you open it.
You take your card along to the polling station, and the teller or clerk verifies your number against the electoral registar.
No system is watertight against fraud, but its pretty good, and at the last general election, voter fraud was almost non-existent.
There was never any need to bring in phot ID checks, because voter fraud is not an issue of any significance, it was merely an attempt by the government to supress voters from certain social groups from bothering to vote.
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Post by Pacifico on May 7, 2024 21:14:28 GMT
Think about this The returning officers department at your local authority, sends you a card with a reference number on which is your specific, individual number. The card is addressed tou you, these days the number is concealed until you open it. You take your card along to the polling station, and the teller or clerk verifies your number against the electoral registar. No system is watertight against fraud, but its pretty good, and at the last general election, voter fraud was almost non-existent. There was never any need to bring in phot ID checks, because voter fraud is not an issue of any significance, it was merely an attempt by the government to supress voters from certain social groups from bothering to vote. So why did the Labour Party decide to implement photo ID?. Also if photo ID suppresses certain groups then most of the rest of Europe seems rather undemocratic. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 7, 2024 22:24:00 GMT
Think about this The returning officers department at your local authority, sends you a card with a reference number on which is your specific, individual number. The card is addressed tou you, these days the number is concealed until you open it. You take your card along to the polling station, and the teller or clerk verifies your number against the electoral registar. No system is watertight against fraud, but its pretty good, and at the last general election, voter fraud was almost non-existent. There was never any need to bring in phot ID checks, because voter fraud is not an issue of any significance, it was merely an attempt by the government to supress voters from certain social groups from bothering to vote. So why did the Labour Party decide to implement photo ID?. Also if photo ID suppresses certain groups then most of the rest of Europe seems rather undemocratic. Ouch! Now that's awkward... |
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Post by ratcliff on May 7, 2024 22:48:57 GMT
disenfranchise the poor and minority demographics by introducing Voter ID -You don't believe that those on the electoral role should not have their photo ID officially verified when casting their vote? Do you not accept that producing a valid passport for checking on entry at border control (airports/ports/international stations ) is a necessary requirement? Accepted voting photo ID is available completely FOC so no crap needed from you about paying for passports/driving licences etc - it's free www.gov.uk/apply-for-photo-id-voter-authority-certificate In principle I don't have many issues with the need for Voter ID, though the extremely low levels of voter fraud would suggest that introducing it was using a wrecking-ball to crack a nut. My actual issue was in how it was implemented: Bus Pass is fine to use to vote, Young Person's Rail Card was not. That clearly indicates a desire to make it harder for younger people to vote than older people, and funny enough older people tend to vote Tory and younger people tend not to vote Tory. The two things taken together make it clear this was cynical plan to disenfranchise those least like to vote Tory. That, and ONLY that, was why I was, and remain, opposed to it. All The Best Nor is a senior rail card on the list so your perceived issue is BS From my post Accepted voting photo ID is available completely FOC so no crap needed from you about paying for passports/driving licences etc - it's free
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Post by johnofgwent on May 7, 2024 23:48:52 GMT
Think about this The returning officers department at your local authority, sends you a card with a reference number on which is your specific, individual number. The card is addressed tou you, these days the number is concealed until you open it. You take your card along to the polling station, and the teller or clerk verifies your number against the electoral registar. No system is watertight against fraud, but its pretty good, and at the last general election, voter fraud was almost non-existent. There was never any need to bring in phot ID checks, because voter fraud is not an issue of any significance, it was merely an attempt by the government to supress voters from certain social groups from bothering to vote. Complete bullshit.
This has been the rant of the welsh labout marxist twats from day one, and the reason they refuse to impose it atwelsh assembly and council elections.
However, they are phasing out the NHS Online appointment system and bringing in a NEW one for which the ONLY way a welsh resident can get access os to have photo id
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Post by jonksy on May 8, 2024 1:09:30 GMT
Poor old fiddles you have to admire his pesistence in making a total prick of himself... Are you incapable of debate, or of putting forward any political opinion without resorting to offensive or insulting remarks. ? There is debate and there is comedy. You fall into the latter fiddles....And of course there is also strawmen that the left like to use... |
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Post by Dogburger on May 8, 2024 6:20:36 GMT
Think about this The returning officers department at your local authority, sends you a card with a reference number on which is your specific, individual number. The card is addressed tou you, these days the number is concealed until you open it. You take your card along to the polling station, and the teller or clerk verifies your number against the electoral registar. No system is watertight against fraud, but its pretty good, and at the last general election, voter fraud was almost non-existent. There was never any need to bring in phot ID checks, because voter fraud is not an issue of any significance, it was merely an attempt by the government to supress voters from certain social groups from bothering to vote. Pretty much as it was then apart from having to take the card to the polling station . Fraud could have easily been dealt with by actually prosecuting those found involved in it . There is no such thing as low level fraud in my book that only needs 'having a word ' I think someone has said . |
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Post by thomas on May 8, 2024 6:27:20 GMT
sure , but as ive said before , England ( not the uk) is now the only country in Western Europe that doesn't have pr or a form of it. Go figure. The dodgy system in England (for Westminster) is at breaking point , the old two party stitch up no longer commands the respect and holds the views of the majority , and still the muppets trundle on as long as they can. Westminster is broken. We all know it. We have 500 seats that are taken by careerist benchwarmers , and largely less than a 100 of the 650 seats change hands outside the big two clown parties each election. I think we are all sick of these globalist fannies masquerading as politicians and their tree hugging identity politics , their trans obsessions , and high taxes. The only thing I disagree with in your post is your last sentence. Labour will be worse than the tories in my opinion. They will wreak havoc on the uk nations , all without a mandate and popular support. time to batten down the hatches even more. I am sorry to say that the system is Scotland has not thrown up a government that commands any more respect. We seem to be all round stuck with a sort of democratic hiatus where each faction tells us how bad the other factions are at doing exactly the same as them. We seem to be stuck with a choice of which incompetent manager to vote for. At least with Thatcher you got what you voted for or at least what the system voted for. The system in scotland was designed by the British in their interests , and was never meant to throw up a government that commanded respect , but it did once under the form of the Salmond administration from 07 to 14. The system in scotland was designed by English labour , for English labour , to be nothing more than a talking shop for their lackeys , with the pr element as a back up in case non British parties ever commanded a lead to stop them getting a majority. The Scottish parliament though isnt under question. It's a devolved parliament , as you lot keep reminding me , not a so called sovereign parliament like your Westminster. As usual sandy , when you can't deny the farce that is Britain , you attempt whataboutery or blame others. Its a fact that the yookay parliament at Westminster is the least representative parliament in western and Central Europe , and does a disservice to both the English , us and non Irish and welsh equally. Your puerile attempt to compare the so called mother of all parliaments (no laughing please) with a devolved parliament shows how bad things are becoming.   If you vote, but your vote counts for nothing â whatâs the point of voting? Can you even call that democracy? So how does the UK compare to other countries when it comes to counting your vote. In the UK Westminster election system the âFirst Past The Postâ (FPTP) process is used. Voters cast a vote for a single candidate, and the candidate with the most votes wins the election. This means that only the voters who voted for the winning candidate have anyone representing them. All the other voters do not. Because of this obvious issue, most countries that used FPTP no longer do so. In fact not many countries continue to use it. Notable exceptions are the UK and USA.
Instead of FPTP a large majority of the worldâs democracies have adopted a âProportional Representationâ (PR) process[ii] instead. PR seeks to represent votes proportionately within the elected body â crudely, the more votes that are cast for a party, the more people represent the voters for that party.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2024 6:37:58 GMT
I am sorry to say that the system is Scotland has not thrown up a government that commands any more respect. We seem to be all round stuck with a sort of democratic hiatus where each faction tells us how bad the other factions are at doing exactly the same as them. We seem to be stuck with a choice of which incompetent manager to vote for. At least with Thatcher you got what you voted for or at least what the system voted for. The system in scotland was designed by the British in their interests , and was never meant to throw up a government that commanded respect , but it did once under the form of the Salmond administration from 07 to 14. The system in scotland was designed by English labour , for English labour , to be nothing more than a talking shop for their lackeys , with the pr element as a back up in case non British parties ever commanded a lead to stop them getting a majority. The Scottish parliament though isnt under question. It's a devolved parliament , as you lot keep reminding me , not a so called sovereign parliament like your Westminster. As usual sandy , when you can't deny the farce that is Britain , you attempt whataboutery or blame others. Its a fact that the yookay parliament at Westminster is the least representative parliament in western and Central Europe , and does a disservice to both the English , us and non Irish and welsh equally. Your puerile attempt to compare the so called mother of all parliaments (no laughing please) with a devolved parliament shows how bad things are becoming. ^^ Either lives in an alternate universe or is brainwashed by his own lies. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 8, 2024 6:38:51 GMT
I am sorry to say that the system is Scotland has not thrown up a government that commands any more respect. We seem to be all round stuck with a sort of democratic hiatus where each faction tells us how bad the other factions are at doing exactly the same as them. We seem to be stuck with a choice of which incompetent manager to vote for. At least with Thatcher you got what you voted for or at least what the system voted for. The system in scotland was designed by the British in their interests , and was never meant to throw up a government that commanded respect , but it did once under the form of the Salmond administration from 07 to 14. The system in scotland was designed by English labour , for English labour , to be nothing more than a talking shop for their lackeys , with the pr element as a back up in case non British parties ever commanded a lead to stop them getting a majority. The Scottish parliament though isnt under question. It's a devolved parliament , as you lot keep reminding me , not a so called sovereign parliament like your Westminster. As usual sandy , when you can't deny the farce that is Britain , you attempt whataboutery or blame others. Its a fact that the yookay parliament at Westminster is the least representative parliament in western and Central Europe , and does a disservice to both the English , us and non Irish and welsh equally. Your puerile attempt to compare the so called mother of all parliaments (no laughing please) with a devolved parliament shows how bad things are becoming. If you vote, but your vote counts for nothing â whatâs the point of voting? Can you even call that democracy? So how does the UK compare to other countries when it comes to counting your vote. In the UK Westminster election system the âFirst Past The Postâ (FPTP) process is used. Voters cast a vote for a single candidate, and the candidate with the most votes wins the election. This means that only the voters who voted for the winning candidate have anyone representing them. All the other voters do not. Because of this obvious issue, most countries that used FPTP no longer do so. In fact not many countries continue to use it. Notable exceptions are the UK and USA.
Instead of FPTP a large majority of the worldâs democracies have adopted a âProportional Representationâ (PR) process[ii] instead. PR seeks to represent votes proportionately within the elected body â crudely, the more votes that are cast for a party, the more people represent the voters for that party.
"British", "Yookay".
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Post by thomas on May 8, 2024 6:40:10 GMT
The system in scotland was designed by the British in their interests , and was never meant to throw up a government that commanded respect , but it did once under the form of the Salmond administration from 07 to 14. The system in scotland was designed by English labour , for English labour , to be nothing more than a talking shop for their lackeys , with the pr element as a back up in case non British parties ever commanded a lead to stop them getting a majority. The Scottish parliament though isnt under question. It's a devolved parliament , as you lot keep reminding me , not a so called sovereign parliament like your Westminster. As usual sandy , when you can't deny the farce that is Britain , you attempt whataboutery or blame others. Its a fact that the yookay parliament at Westminster is the least representative parliament in western and Central Europe , and does a disservice to both the English , us and non Irish and welsh equally. Your puerile attempt to compare the so called mother of all parliaments (no laughing please) with a devolved parliament shows how bad things are becoming. ^^ Either lives in an alternate universe or is brainwashed by his own lies. islamists. Islamists everywhere. |
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Post by thomas on May 8, 2024 6:42:35 GMT
The system in scotland was designed by the British in their interests , and was never meant to throw up a government that commanded respect , but it did once under the form of the Salmond administration from 07 to 14. The system in scotland was designed by English labour , for English labour , to be nothing more than a talking shop for their lackeys , with the pr element as a back up in case non British parties ever commanded a lead to stop them getting a majority. The Scottish parliament though isnt under question. It's a devolved parliament , as you lot keep reminding me , not a so called sovereign parliament like your Westminster. As usual sandy , when you can't deny the farce that is Britain , you attempt whataboutery or blame others. Its a fact that the yookay parliament at Westminster is the least representative parliament in western and Central Europe , and does a disservice to both the English , us and non Irish and welsh equally. Your puerile attempt to compare the so called mother of all parliaments (no laughing please) with a devolved parliament shows how bad things are becoming. If you vote, but your vote counts for nothing â whatâs the point of voting? Can you even call that democracy? So how does the UK compare to other countries when it comes to counting your vote. In the UK Westminster election system the âFirst Past The Postâ (FPTP) process is used. Voters cast a vote for a single candidate, and the candidate with the most votes wins the election. This means that only the voters who voted for the winning candidate have anyone representing them. All the other voters do not. Because of this obvious issue, most countries that used FPTP no longer do so. In fact not many countries continue to use it. Notable exceptions are the UK and USA.
Instead of FPTP a large majority of the worldâs democracies have adopted a âProportional Representationâ (PR) process[ii] instead. PR seeks to represent votes proportionately within the elected body â crudely, the more votes that are cast for a party, the more people represent the voters for that party.
"British", "Yookay".
See that? That's you that is. I know mate. Im sure though away from the headcases like rebirth , and Sandys butt hurt British unionism , we can all agree outside the "nomenclature"  that the uk parliament with its in built 500 bench warming seats doesn't serve any country of the uk state. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2024 6:43:38 GMT
^^ Either lives in an alternate universe or is brainwashed by his own lies. islamists. Islamists everywhere. Scotland's George Galloway certainly thinks so. |
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Post by thomas on May 8, 2024 6:44:43 GMT
islamists. Islamists everywhere. Scotland's George Galloway certainly profits thinks so. Really? Here rebirth here's my phone. Why dont you phone someone who gives a fack? |
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that the uk parliament with its in built 500 bench warming seats doesn't serve any country of the uk state.