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Post by thomas on Aug 18, 2024 12:04:17 GMT
You know where some of them are because you selectively omitted them when trying to score your cheap points above. Others are in my recent response to morayloon in a live thread in the SNP section of this place. And those that are not addressed in either of these places are those where you have put words in my mouth or assigned opinions to me that I have not expressed and/or do not hold so, by definition, I have not addressed them other than by pointing out your shabby behaviour in acting as you do and in asking if you really expect me to treat it (and you, for that matter) with anything other than the contempt it deserves (which, for the avoidance of doubt, I won’t). I cant see them. Instead of incessantly deflecting , could we start from scratch and may I ask you respond to my above questions and answer them one by one? I mean , how can anyone take you seriously if you dont have the courage of your own convictions and give us an answer on how democracy in scotland should proceed and by what rules? |
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Post by happyjack on Aug 18, 2024 12:15:49 GMT
No, I have already answered your questions and I am not deflecting. If you lack the smarts to see that then so be it.
And we already have democracy in Scotland, or at least as much as in any other part of the country and certainly more than our fellow citizens in England have. I think that it should proceed just as it is doing, with the proviso that we need to drop the current electoral systems at Westminster and Holyrood and introduce PR instead because neither of the existing systems (particularly FPTP) produce democratic outcomes.
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 18, 2024 12:17:04 GMT
Unionism losing control of Stormont for the first time in a century , and Sinn Fein becoming the party of government in Northern Ireland , isnt a flag for a border poll ,then I dont know what the fuck is. Yeah, what could possibly go wrong? I mean electing to power a party born from, and intrinsically & ideologically linked to, a Terrorist Group worked so well in Israel, didn't it? Oh, wait..... All The Best |
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Post by happyjack on Aug 18, 2024 15:57:49 GMT
So what was the name of the country that was formed in 1707 when the Act of Union between Scotland and England was implemented and which lasted until 1801 when the subsequent Act of Union with Ireland was enacted? |
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Post by thomas on Aug 18, 2024 16:27:01 GMT
No, I have already answered your questions and I am not deflecting. If you lack the smarts to see that then so be it. And we already have democracy in Scotland, or at least as much as in any other part of the country and certainly more than our fellow citizens in England have. I think that it should proceed just as it is doing, with the proviso that we need to drop the current electoral systems at Westminster and Holyrood and introduce PR instead because neither of the existing systems (particularly FPTP) produce democratic outcomes. you haven't answered any questions. You wrote this garbled lies to moryaloon on page 5 of the thread and you haven't answered my questions on your guff posted. 1.Can a previous politician or government in Scotland bind a future government or the Scottish people one holding an Indyref? 2.Can you show us exactly what Alec Salmond allegedly said , fully in context in 2014? 3.What uk rule or law exists that says the Scottish people must show a sustained majority support for independence? |
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Post by thomas on Aug 18, 2024 16:31:13 GMT
Unionism losing control of Stormont for the first time in a century , and Sinn Fein becoming the party of government in Northern Ireland , isnt a flag for a border poll ,then I dont know what the fuck is. Yeah, what could possibly go wrong? I mean electing to power a party born from, and intrinsically & ideologically linked to, a Terrorist Group worked so well in Israel, didn't it? Oh, wait..... All The Best whats your point in relation to the discussion? We were discussing how a border poll is triggered. If British parties have no problem getting into bed with the political wings of unionist terrorists , in the uk parliament , then why cant sinn feins election as the largest party and government be used to trigger a border poll ? |
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Post by happyjack on Aug 18, 2024 16:40:38 GMT
I have answered your questions either by laying out my thoughts in my earlier post in advance of your post (e.g. what it will take to secure another indyref) - or by pointing you at my recent exchange with morayloon in the SNP section of this place about NI’s 7 year minimum period between referenda ( much of which is actually also contained in a reply I gave to him above - you know, the one that prompted you to first intervene here) - or by pointing out to you that you are putting words in my mouth and assigning positions to me that I have not expressed and/or do not hold ( which I have made clear that I would treat with contempt and which I intend to keep doing).
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Post by thomas on Aug 18, 2024 16:47:41 GMT
So what was the name of the country that was formed in 1707 when the Act of Union between Scotland and England was implemented and which lasted until 1801 when the subsequent Act of Union with Ireland was enacted? It was a multi national kingdom called great Britain , of which ireland was a part , but at that point didnt send representatives to the English parliament , and instead continued with the colonial parliament in Dublin overseen by the English crown. The clue is in the name happy. The beginnings of the multi national state began in political terms in 1536 , not 1707 , and as the power of the monarchy waned to be replaced by the crown in parliament , the English needed political union to reaffirm control which was previously wielded through the monarchy. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 18, 2024 16:52:55 GMT
I have answered your questions either by laying out my thoughts in my earlier post in advance of your post (e.g. what it will take to secure another indyref) - or by pointing you at my recent exchange with morayloon in the SNP section of this place about NI’s 7 year minimum period between referenda ( much of which is actually also contained in a reply I gave to him above - you know, the one that prompted you to first intervene here) - or by pointing out to you that you are putting words in my mouth and assigning positions to me that I have not expressed and/or do not hold ( which I have made clear that I would treat with contempt and which I intend to keep doing). you keep deflecting as normal. You keep waffling about mythical rules that dont exist , and claiming we Scots cant hold a referendum because( insert happy jacks latest waffle). I joined the old forum around the beginning of 2017 , and you quickly came to my attention with your unionist lies , and Jaydee and moray daily rag dolling you around the old forum under your former alias. soapy Souter. I recall a mere 8 months after the Brexit ref , you were among those calling for the result to be overturned , before it had been implemented , so much so you sounded remarkably like a Liberal Democrat I had come across on another forum from Aberdeenshire , who had the same twisted unionist logic . so while demanding Brexit must not be implemented a mer 8 months after the referendum , here you are ten years later waffling nonsense and making up lies about another Scottish indy ref. you dont get to constrain democracy with new rules made up on the hop. |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 18, 2024 18:07:10 GMT
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland aka Great Britain aka UK is a country.
GB plates for foreign driving were a thing until Brexit.
Now they've been replaced by UK plates.
We're represented at the Olympics by Team GB.
Our nationality is British.
Our passports are United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland passports (aka British).
So fellow Brit, your identity may be Scottish, but your nationality is British.
Get over it, anglophobic racist.
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Post by thomas on Aug 18, 2024 18:12:03 GMT
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland aka Great Britain aka UK is a country. GB plates for foreign driving were a thing until Brexit. Now they've been replaced by UK plates. We're represented at the Olympics by Team GB. Our nationality is British. Our passports are United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland passports (aka British). So fellow Brit, your identity may be Scottish, but your nationality is British. Get over it, anglophobic racist. its a multi national state , as per the uk government past and present , and various prime ministers have said , two countries a principality and a province , family of nations ( no laughing please) etc etc. Northern Ireland is part of the uk but not gb. the distinguishing code for the uk is UK , and has been since 2021 , not gb. at commonwealth , scotland and england compete separately , as we do in most sports. certainly the main ones . our citizenship is British , which includes people In the falklands or Gibraltar , but we have Scottish northern irish and English birth certificates. get over it anti Scottish brit nat .brits out. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 18, 2024 18:15:20 GMT
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland aka Great Britain aka UK is a country. GB plates for foreign driving were a thing until Brexit. Now they've been replaced by UK plates. We're represented at the Olympics by Team GB. Our nationality is British. Our passports are United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland passports (aka British). So fellow Brit, your identity may be Scottish, but your nationality is British. Get over it, anglophobic racist. lets get scotland out of the uk , end the union and rejoin our beloved European Union , and leave little englanders like you vinny to your feverish imagination. we want our European citizenship back vinny.  |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 18, 2024 18:18:46 GMT
No, I have already answered your questions and I am not deflecting. If you lack the smarts to see that then so be it. And we already have democracy in Scotland, or at least as much as in any other part of the country and certainly more than our fellow citizens in England have. I think that it should proceed just as it is doing, with the proviso that we need to drop the current electoral systems at Westminster and Holyrood and introduce PR instead because neither of the existing systems (particularly FPTP) produce democratic outcomes. Exactly, our country is a democracy but the English region is the least represented of all of it.
We're all Brits, but some Brits are more equal than others.
The English are discriminated against.
Fix it. Abolish devolution, introduce PR and means tested public spending instead of the Barnett formula.
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Post by thomas on Aug 18, 2024 18:20:35 GMT
No, I have already answered your questions and I am not deflecting. If you lack the smarts to see that then so be it. And we already have democracy in Scotland, or at least as much as in any other part of the country and certainly more than our fellow citizens in England have. I think that it should proceed just as it is doing, with the proviso that we need to drop the current electoral systems at Westminster and Holyrood and introduce PR instead because neither of the existing systems (particularly FPTP) produce democratic outcomes. Exactly, our country is a democracy but the English region is the least represented of all of it.
We're all Brits, but some Brits are more equal than others.
The English are discriminated against.
Fix it. Abolish devolution, introduce PR and means tested public spending instead of the Barnett formula.
a democracy that scotland cannot vote to leave. lol. give england its own parliament , and independence I say. Three cheers for england. abolish the union , and grant england its independence . |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 18, 2024 18:21:03 GMT
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland aka Great Britain aka UK is a country. No it is not. It is a UNION of CountrieS. Our nationality is British. I am English, I genuinely have no idea what "British" means. Scotland, Northern Ireland and even Wales (to a lesser extent) have different legal statutes to England. All The Best |
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