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Post by thomas on Aug 18, 2024 9:46:53 GMT
That's just garbled nonsense. Par for the course. I agree on Irish unity. But, why is it ok for NI to have a referendum every seven years, but Scotland can't. It is now coming up to the 10th anniversary of Indyref. So much has happened since then, notably our being dragged out of the EU against our will!!! Once again, and in common with many Indy types, you display both your failure to grasp simple facts and your willingness (eagerness, even) to unquestioningly lap up whatever malicious misinformation the Indy grievance-mongering machine pumps out at you. It is not automatically ok for NI to have a re-unification referendum every 7 years nor, for that matter, is there any obligation to hold such a referendum every 7 years or at any other interval. once again , in common with you hardcore British unionist types , you display your ignorance , belch misinformation , and indeed argue against the very essence of democracy as practised across the civilised globe. It is ok for Northern Ireland to have a referendum every seven years. The caveat being its down to the N.I.S.O.S to judge when this is prudent , and as usual , you British seize on the ambiguity of parts of the GFA to kick the can of a border poll down the road and maintain the twitching corpse of Britannia a few years more. Unionism losing control of Stormont for the first time in a century , and Sinn Fein becoming the party of government in Northern Ireland , isnt a flag for a border poll ,then I dont know what the fuck is. The point though regarding scotland is the cry that we had an indy ref once in 2014 , and thats it. What we are trying to determine is the criteria for holding the next one. The very essence of western democracy is to test and re test electoral results within a short time frame. So why should Northern Ireland have the ability to hold a border poll every seven years , while scotland is told no thats it jock , you had your say , no more? eh? its like the ringing of a burst morris dancing bell , screeching in vain . No past government ( or first minister) can bind a future government in scotland , as in the uk , or any civilised democracy. Further , you are making things up once again. can you show us who apparently said one opportunity /once in a lifetime , and in what context? happy jack as per normal making things up and embellishing things. It's down to the people of scotland , no one else , on when and if we should have another referendum. Throwing barriers in the road to democracy simply shows how terrified you are of losing. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 18, 2024 10:07:47 GMT
We aren't selling energy to England. I can assure you that we are not getting energy for free. False Dichotomy. That doesn't mean the Scottish government or people are being paid /gaining in any measurable way for the energy you are paying for. (Domestic consumers in the energy-producing areasof the north of Scotland actually pay more than in London - the tariff is the same but standing charges are higher. More importantly, most of rural Scotland has no access to the gas network so their energy bills are typically double the much-quoted UK ‘average’ and fuel poverty is a real issue - in the Western Isles fuel poverty is the highest in Scotland at 57%). www.cas.org.uk/system/files/publications/citizens_advice_scotland_standing_charges_call_for_input_response.pdf have you lifted that from the bad gers data? If so it's a fundamental failure to understand what you have written. Gers is an estimate of taxes raised and spending in scotland by both the UK and Scottish governments. Energy , as black is white told you up the page is a reserved matter , the Scottish government does not have the ability to tax and control energy companies , hence why keir starmer can talk about setting up GB energy , or stopping new licences for North Sea oil and gas. It was only the other week that the CEO of octopus energy said that if the uk reverted to regional pricing , scotland would have the cheapest energy in Europe , while at the moment , under the uk governments control , we have some of the highest bills despite haven an abundance of energy. www.businessforscotland.com/how_scotland_could_have_the_cheapest_electricity_in_europe |
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Post by thomas on Aug 18, 2024 10:09:59 GMT
There is no English national grid only a UK national grid which all UK generated electricity goes into and UK generated electricity is supplied from. There should be though. 1 What is the UK's current pricing model?
The UK currently operates an old-fashioned UK-wide, one-nation tariff for energy. Businesses in the middle of London pay the same tariff for energy as they do in Orkney or Inverness.
(Domestic consumers in the energy-producing areasof the north of Scotland actually pay more than in London - the tariff is the same but standing charges are higher. More importantly, most of rural Scotland has no access to the gas network so their energy bills are typically double the much-quoted UK ‘average’ and fuel poverty is a real issue - in the Western Isles fuel poverty is the highest in Scotland at 57%).
The UK’s one-price tariff made sense 30 years ago when the grid was connected to large coal fired power stations which were centrally located and served all consumers. But it doesn’t make sense in today’s world which has more diffuse sources of power, often located a long way from population centres. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 18, 2024 10:11:07 GMT
As you already know, I voted leave because the EU wasn't reformed. The CAP, the CFP, the Common External Tariff, it doesn't work, sadly. It needs reforms. End the UK. Scotland to rejoin the EU as per our democratic vote in 2016. Abolish westmsinter control over scotland. Little englanders out. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 18, 2024 10:18:07 GMT
What are you talking about? Northern Ireland hasn't had a border referendum since the 1970's. As for Scotland, English taxpayers subsidise devolution and are shit on by the SNATs. Abolish devolution. Great Britain is one country not four, fellow Brit. Scrap the Barnett formula, means test instead. Fund the most deprived areas first and the most affluent areas last. Scotland is very affluent, it doesn't need the Barnett formula subsidies. Directly control public spending from central government. Sack the devolved racists. nationalists boycotted the border poll you are gibbering about half a century ago. Who is this aimed at anyway? just as Scottish taxpayers subsidise England , such as paying for Englands hs2 , or London crossrail , or paying population shares of Englands collosul debt interest. scrap the Barnett formula. Full fiscal autonomy for scotland. there is no country on earth called great Britain . never has been . you mean to tell me after all these years of waffling on you dont know the name of your own multi national state? the mental gymnastics you people do in posts is unbelievable .Simultaneously , we are told scotland is too poor and scotland is too rich at the same time , depending on the argument of course. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 18, 2024 11:00:44 GMT
I can assure you that we are not getting energy for free. False Dichotomy. That doesn't mean the Scottish government or people are being paid /gaining in any measurable way for the energy you are paying for. No - the energy producers are getting paid. Who doi you think wouild get paid if you were not exporting energy to England? You are not comparing like with like - large cities always have lower standing charges due to the cheaper distribution costs. Compare with similar areas (like mine) and the standing charges are not higher in Scotland. I'm simply pointing out that businesses in Scotland make an awful lot of money from energy exports - as you would expect.  |
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Post by happyjack on Aug 18, 2024 11:05:19 GMT
Once again, and in common with many Indy types, you display both your failure to grasp simple facts and your willingness (eagerness, even) to unquestioningly lap up whatever malicious misinformation the Indy grievance-mongering machine pumps out at you. It is not automatically ok for NI to have a re-unification referendum every 7 years nor, for that matter, is there any obligation to hold such a referendum every 7 years or at any other interval. once again , in common with you hardcore British unionist types , you display your ignorance , belch misinformation , and indeed argue against the very essence of democracy as practised across the civilised globe. It is ok for Northern Ireland to have a referendum every seven years. The caveat being its down to the N.I.S.O.S to judge when this is prudent , and as usual , you British seize on the ambiguity of parts of the GFA to kick the can of a border poll down the road and maintain the twitching corpse of Britannia a few years more. Unionism losing control of Stormont for the first time in a century , and Sinn Fein becoming the party of government in Northern Ireland , isnt a flag for a border poll ,then I dont know what the fuck is. The point though regarding scotland is the cry that we had an indy ref once in 2014 , and thats it. What we are trying to determine is the criteria for holding the next one. The very essence of western democracy is to test and re test electoral results within a short time frame. So why should Northern Ireland have the ability to hold a border poll every seven years , while scotland is told no thats it jock , you had your say , no more? eh? its like the ringing of a burst morris dancing bell , screeching in vain . No past government ( or first minister) can bind a future government in scotland , as in the uk , or any civilised democracy. Further , you are making things up once again. can you show us who apparently said one opportunity /once in a lifetime , and in what context? happy jack as per normal making things up and embellishing things. It's down to the people of scotland , no one else , on when and if we should have another referendum. Throwing barriers in the road to democracy simply shows how terrified you are of losing. And so, assuming Jaydee is still with us, of course, the final member of our Indy zealot triumvirate demonstrates that, in common with his fellow members of that toxic alliance, he too has difficulty with reading, processing and understanding - although, in his case, apparently not quite to the same degree as the others. He, at least, is apparently capable of doing so to a level where he understands that he has to selectively quote from my posts to enable him to make his twisted points and accusations, obviously aware that the sections that he chooses not to quote often undermine his arguments against, and his criticisms of, me. That, and his tendency to put words in my mouth that I have not said and to assign opinions to me that I do not hold, are the essence of most of his sleekit responses to me on here, just as they are in this latest response. Cheap and shabby behaviour, as usual, from the unworthy Thomas. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 18, 2024 11:08:07 GMT
False Dichotomy. That doesn't mean the Scottish government or people are being paid /gaining in any measurable way for the energy you are paying for. No - the energy producers are getting paid. Who doi you think wouild get paid if you were not exporting energy to England? Eh? Who said the energy producers aren't getting paid? You were implying scotland was benefiting.? The uk government controls the energy sector in scotland. It can nationalise energy , or keep it privatised , and has the ability to tax the energy sectors profits. If we were independent , we could do as we please with the energy sector , rather than your government doing as it pleases , and we could benefit into the bargain which is the point. read the article , which points out why this unfair , and that the model for pricing is unfair to Scotlands large energy producing regions , simply to subsidies large English cities. ....and im simply pointing out neither the Scottish government nor the Scottish people benefit from this unfair system which your government in westminster imposes on us , and if we were independent , we could have the lowest energy bills In Europe . as ever , scotland worse off under the unions dividend , and subsidising your country., |
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Post by thomas on Aug 18, 2024 11:08:49 GMT
once again , in common with you hardcore British unionist types , you display your ignorance , belch misinformation , and indeed argue against the very essence of democracy as practised across the civilised globe. It is ok for Northern Ireland to have a referendum every seven years. The caveat being its down to the N.I.S.O.S to judge when this is prudent , and as usual , you British seize on the ambiguity of parts of the GFA to kick the can of a border poll down the road and maintain the twitching corpse of Britannia a few years more. Unionism losing control of Stormont for the first time in a century , and Sinn Fein becoming the party of government in Northern Ireland , isnt a flag for a border poll ,then I dont know what the fuck is. The point though regarding scotland is the cry that we had an indy ref once in 2014 , and thats it. What we are trying to determine is the criteria for holding the next one. The very essence of western democracy is to test and re test electoral results within a short time frame. So why should Northern Ireland have the ability to hold a border poll every seven years , while scotland is told no thats it jock , you had your say , no more? eh? its like the ringing of a burst morris dancing bell , screeching in vain . No past government ( or first minister) can bind a future government in scotland , as in the uk , or any civilised democracy. Further , you are making things up once again. can you show us who apparently said one opportunity /once in a lifetime , and in what context? happy jack as per normal making things up and embellishing things. It's down to the people of scotland , no one else , on when and if we should have another referendum. Throwing barriers in the road to democracy simply shows how terrified you are of losing. And so, the final member of our Indy zealot triumvirate demonstrates that, in common with his fellow members of that toxic alliance, he too has difficulty with reading, processing and understanding - although, in his case, apparently not to the same degree as the others. He, at least, is apparently capable of doing so to a level where he understands that he has to selectively quote from my posts to enable him to make his twisted points and accusations, obviously aware that the sections that he chooses not to quote often undermine his arguments against, and his criticisms of, me. That, and his tendency to put words in my mouth that I have not said and to assign opinions to me that I do not hold, are the essence of his sleekit responses to me on here, just as they are in this latest response. Cheap and shabby behaviour, as usual, from the unworthy Thomas. yawn. |
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Post by happyjack on Aug 18, 2024 11:24:12 GMT
I guess that references to personal integrity must be a bit tiresome to those who are sadly lacking in that department.
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Post by thomas on Aug 18, 2024 11:28:04 GMT
I guess that references to personal integrity must be a bit tiresome to those who are sadly lacking in that department. sorry , but I nodded off after reading that verbiage of ambiguous deflective shite. as ever though , you fail to address the points and questions in my earlier post , and resort to muddying yet another thread with the guff we have come to expect from you . |
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Post by thomas on Aug 18, 2024 11:34:19 GMT
I guess that references to personal integrity must be a bit tiresome to those who are sadly lacking in that department. so lets ask again. trying to keep the questions simple for your limited understanding. 1. Is the GFA the benchmark for referendums in the uk ie.......every 7 years? 2. can a former first ministers misinterpreted words bind an independence vote in future , contrary to the very democracy the uk practices...ie no parliament can bind a future parliament? 3.can you prove to us who said in what context the 2014 referendum was a one chance only , once in a lifetime opportunity , and how this is either legally or democratically enforceable on the Scottish people? 4 What is the criteria we have to meet. to gain another scot indy ref? |
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Post by happyjack on Aug 18, 2024 11:36:12 GMT
I have addressed the points and questions in your earlier post, either in my own recent posts on here, or in the post that you chose to ignore some content from when you selectively quoted me to score your cheap points, or by pointing out that you put words in my mouth that I have not said or assign opinions to me that I do not hold. Do you really expect me to treat your shabby behaviour with anything other than the contempt it deserves?
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Post by thomas on Aug 18, 2024 11:37:17 GMT
I have addressed the points and questions in your earlier post, where? show me? |
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Post by happyjack on Aug 18, 2024 12:01:38 GMT
You know where some of them are because you selectively omitted them when trying to score your cheap points above.
Others are in my recent response to morayloon in a live thread in the SNP section of this place.
And those that are not addressed in either of these places are those where you have put words in my mouth or assigned opinions to me that I have not expressed and/or do not hold so, by definition, I have not addressed them other than by pointing out your shabby behaviour in acting as you do and in asking if you really expect me to treat it (and you, for that matter) with anything other than the contempt it deserves (which, for the avoidance of doubt, I won’t).
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