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Post by borchester on Dec 5, 2022 15:37:17 GMT
There is nothing to stop the FM from calling a referendum. She can call as many as she likes. The circumstances have indeed changed with the verdict of the Supreme court. They have confirmed that the Union is not voluntary. . And worse. The decision now ls the property with Sunak. The third PM in as many months. Who was elected by nobody. Not even you. How very fascist. So another lie by the Britnats has been put to bed and who can no longer use the Voluntary as a idiotic rant. In the event of one being carried out. Legal or illegal does not matter one jot. It is the outcome that counts. Not to mention the Scottish Parliament already have a mandate for a indy ref. That means it is not the Scottish Government or the SNP who have the mandate. The Referendums (Scotland) Bill passed by a vote of 68 for, 54 against and 2 abstentions. The Bill became an Act on 29 January 2020. www.parliament.scot/bills-and-laws/bills/referendums-scotland-billlSo it's a forced union, the Scots won't like that. 😹 So the solution is a divorce, which the SNP are afraid that the majority of Scots don't want.  |
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Post by thomas on Dec 5, 2022 15:45:10 GMT
So it's a forced union, the Scots won't like that. 😹 So the solution is a divorce, which the SNP are afraid that the majority of Scots don't want.
Yes 52% (+4)
No 48% (-4)
It is a strange one borkie. Majority for indy , and that majority is entrenched now in every age group in scotland , with the over 65s the only group with pro union majority support.
Bit of the usual phoney war at the minute , but it should all fall into place . I suppose we shouldnt call it the "union " now , more like the british prison. Ticking time bomb.
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Post by sandypine on Dec 5, 2022 17:05:40 GMT
So the solution is a divorce, which the SNP are afraid that the majority of Scots don't want.
Yes 52% (+4)
No 48% (-4)
It is a strange one borkie. Majority for indy , and that majority is entrenched now in every age group in scotland , with the over 65s the only group with pro union majority support.
Bit of the usual phoney war at the minute , but it should all fall into place . I suppose we shouldnt call it the "union " now , more like the british prison. Ticking time bomb.
I think it is more like a contract. The contract was renewed in 2014 when the referendum decided Scots wanted to remain in the Union. That contract was on the existent devolved and retained powers of the Scottish government and the decision each made. Brexit was not a devolved power and as such was legitimate for the Westminster Parliament, in which Scots play a full part, to make that decision. Sometimes contracts are for better or worse and cannot easily be broken. |
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Post by jaydee on Dec 5, 2022 17:47:23 GMT
So it's a forced union, the Scots won't like that. 😹 So the solution is a divorce, which the SNP are afraid that the majority of Scots don't want. Ah Botchy the glazed eye one line wonder. How are the SNP afraid. It seems to me the Westminster wankers in government are not only afraid, they are terrified they would loss. Would you care to correct that. Nah you can correct nothing. Failing miserably each time you are asked. |
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Post by jaydee on Dec 5, 2022 17:58:58 GMT
Should Scotland be an independent country? (Redfield & Wilton Strategies, 26th-27th November 2022)
Yes 52% (+4)
No 48% (-4)
It is a strange one borkie. Majority for indy , and that majority is entrenched now in every age group in scotland , with the over 65s the only group with pro union majority support.
Bit of the usual phoney war at the minute , but it should all fall into place . I suppose we shouldnt call it the "union " now , more like the british prison. Ticking time bomb.
I think it is more like a contract. The contract was renewed in 2014 when the referendum decided Scots wanted to remain in the Union. That contract was on the existent devolved and retained powers of the Scottish government and the decision each made. Brexit was not a devolved power and as such was legitimate for the Westminster Parliament, in which Scots play a full part, to make that decision. Sometimes contracts are for better or worse and cannot easily be broken. Which part of the contract that provided there was not a material change in circumstances. Or the fact what was expected on the pledge was FFA. Instead Scotland ended up with EVEL. Making the Scots second hand citizens in their own county. Do you not understand. In short the wankers in Westminster lied though its teeth, again. Treating the Scots with contempt. As they do on a daily basis. On top of which the Westminster wankers are experts on not only breaking contracts, but the law and treaties as well. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 5, 2022 18:09:03 GMT
I think it is more like a contract. The contract was renewed in 2014 when the referendum decided Scots wanted to remain in the Union. That contract was on the existent devolved and retained powers of the Scottish government and the decision each made. Brexit was not a devolved power and as such was legitimate for the Westminster Parliament, in which Scots play a full part, to make that decision. Sometimes contracts are for better or worse and cannot easily be broken. Which part of the contract that provided there was not a material change in circumstances. Or the fact what was expected on the pledge was FFA. Instead Scotland ended up with EVEL. Making the Scots second hand citizens in their own county. Do you not understand. In short the wankers in Westminster lied though its teeth, again. Treating the Scots with contempt. As they do on a daily basis. On top of which the Westminster wankers are experts on not only breaking contracts, but the law and treaties as well. The wankers in Westminster lie through their teeth as a matter of course but that is not the binding part. There was no material change in circumstances as everything that happened was in accordance with Union law and proper parliamentary procedure. It is like a marriage, it is for better or worse. You do not get to divorce your wife because she left the WI and you no longer get the benefit of the jams and chutneys and getting to ogle the treasurer when the meetings are held at your house. |
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Post by om15 on Dec 5, 2022 18:25:36 GMT
I see that Sir Kier Starmer has employed the services of Gordon Brown, this is the chap that together with Bliar caused untold damage to the United Kingdom, unlimited immigration, illegal wars and selling our gold at rock bottom prices to fund his failing leftie schemes. They are both welcome to each other, I am puzzled to see that this son of the Manse has decided to completely change the House of Lords and fill it with a load of Jocks.
Apparently this will soothe the troubled masses in Scotland and will make them fervently want to remain in the UK, this is completely undesirable and goes against the wishes of the English.
For the avoidance of doubt Sunak should oppose this with all his energies, he should tell Broon that the English do not want Jocks in Westminster and he should immediately grant a referendum and urge voters to support YES. If he doesn't we will have even more of them down here, moaning, whinging, never buying a round, why would we want that?
Gordon Brown is a disaster, he should stay in Scotland and not be permitted to pass opinions about English matters.
EVEL was introduced to address the West Lothian question as you well know, stop blurting out provocative nonsense, if you wish your posts to be taken seriously you need to stop posting bilge.
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Post by thomas on Dec 5, 2022 19:55:38 GMT
Should Scotland be an independent country? (Redfield & Wilton Strategies, 26th-27th November 2022)
Yes 52% (+4)
No 48% (-4)
It is a strange one borkie. Majority for indy , and that majority is entrenched now in every age group in scotland , with the over 65s the only group with pro union majority support.
Bit of the usual phoney war at the minute , but it should all fall into place . I suppose we shouldnt call it the "union " now , more like the british prison. Ticking time bomb.
I think it is more like a contract. The contract was renewed in 2014 when the referendum decided Scots wanted to remain in the Union. That contract was on the existent devolved and retained powers of the Scottish government and the decision each made. Brexit was not a devolved power and as such was legitimate for the Westminster Parliament, in which Scots play a full part, to make that decision. Sometimes contracts are for better or worse and cannot easily be broken. you know and i know thats a load of bollocks sandy. The contract included eu membership , without it , its not worth the paper its allegedly written on.
There is no union. We all know it now.
tick tock
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Post by Toreador on Dec 5, 2022 20:06:02 GMT
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Post by borchester on Dec 5, 2022 20:15:12 GMT
I think it is more like a contract. The contract was renewed in 2014 when the referendum decided Scots wanted to remain in the Union. That contract was on the existent devolved and retained powers of the Scottish government and the decision each made. Brexit was not a devolved power and as such was legitimate for the Westminster Parliament, in which Scots play a full part, to make that decision. Sometimes contracts are for better or worse and cannot easily be broken. you know and i know thats a load of bollocks sandy. The contract included eu membership , without it , its not worth the paper its allegedly written on.
There is no union. We all know it now.
tick tock
True Tommy, but kids don't turn up. It is Granddad's Army that is most likely to vote and thanks to a kindly providence and regular intakes of substances they should not, they represent 25% of the electorate.
And cottontops don't like change. So while this is little more than guess work on my part, I reckon they will forswear any any adventures and stay loyal to the UK.
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Post by sandypine on Dec 5, 2022 21:04:47 GMT
I think it is more like a contract. The contract was renewed in 2014 when the referendum decided Scots wanted to remain in the Union. That contract was on the existent devolved and retained powers of the Scottish government and the decision each made. Brexit was not a devolved power and as such was legitimate for the Westminster Parliament, in which Scots play a full part, to make that decision. Sometimes contracts are for better or worse and cannot easily be broken. you know and i know thats a load of bollocks sandy. The contract included eu membership , without it , its not worth the paper its allegedly written on.
There is no union. We all know it now.
tick tock
The contract did not include EU membership it included the right to decide on EU membership as a Union. Fred Perry of 25 Havelock Way Orbiston Parva disagrees with almost everything that his government does. He is part of the country however and accepts that that is the nature of his right to live here. I repeat again that in 1964 England voted for a Tory government whilst Scotland swung the vote and gave Wilson the job. This is the nature of a Union, sometimes it works for you sometimes it does not. If the vote in England had been even closer in terms of teh referendum then it is possible the Scottish general desire for the UK to stay in may have swung it to Remain. I think everyone within the Union would have accepted that, however it wasn't. |
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Post by thomas on Dec 6, 2022 7:41:13 GMT
you know and i know thats a load of bollocks sandy. The contract included eu membership , without it , its not worth the paper its allegedly written on.
There is no union. We all know it now.
tick tock
The contract did not include EU membership it included the right to decide on EU membership as a Union. Fred Perry of 25 Havelock Way Orbiston Parva disagrees with almost everything that his government does. He is part of the country however and accepts that that is the nature of his right to live here. I repeat again that in 1964 England voted for a Tory government whilst Scotland swung the vote and gave Wilson the job. This is the nature of a Union, sometimes it works for you sometimes it does not. If the vote in England had been even closer in terms of teh referendum then it is possible the Scottish general desire for the UK to stay in may have swung it to Remain. I think everyone within the Union would have accepted that, however it wasn't. you can sit and deny reality , sandy , you can invent as many fantasiies as you like, but the fact remains eu membership was a key plank of better together in 2014 , and scotland voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU , with support recently as high as 70 %.
I think my previous graphic shows a large part of the problem with the uk today . We are living in the end days of a dying empire , a uk state diminishing on every level , and the cottontops as borkie puts it , who didnt fight in any major wars as their parents and grandparents did to further the empire , but sat and took all the best of british that their parents bestowed on them , which their children and grandchildren never received , are clearly living in cloud cuckoo land.
The uk is fecked in my opinion. If it doesnt break up , its going to get swallowed up into the EU.
Thats the reality the geriatrics and chelsea pensioners cant accept. Clearly starmer and labour are intent on fobbing off the jocks , ignoring the taffs , quietly selling the paddies down the river , and taking englandshire back into the EU behind closed doors.
Thats about as good as it gets for the union , a desperate can kicking excercise for a few more years , while england/britian is annexed into the EU. Clearly the establishment have given up on the tories , a party who have been in dire straits since 2016 and camerons resignation , and have stumbled from crises to crises.
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Post by thomas on Dec 6, 2022 7:44:21 GMT
you know and i know thats a load of bollocks sandy. The contract included eu membership , without it , its not worth the paper its allegedly written on.
There is no union. We all know it now.
tick tock
True Tommy, but kids don't turn up. It is Granddad's Army that is most likely to vote and thanks to a kindly providence and regular intakes of substances they should not, they represent 25% of the electorate.
And cottontops don't like change. So while this is little more than guess work on my part, I reckon they will forswear any any adventures and stay loyal to the UK.
You will forgive me as ever borkie if i laugh at your latest political prediction. Ive lost count how many wagers you have lost over the years crystal ball gazing .
your nuggets of wisdom are like writing on cave walls from a bygone era........
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Post by sandypine on Dec 6, 2022 10:14:24 GMT
The contract did not include EU membership it included the right to decide on EU membership as a Union. Fred Perry of 25 Havelock Way Orbiston Parva disagrees with almost everything that his government does. He is part of the country however and accepts that that is the nature of his right to live here. I repeat again that in 1964 England voted for a Tory government whilst Scotland swung the vote and gave Wilson the job. This is the nature of a Union, sometimes it works for you sometimes it does not. If the vote in England had been even closer in terms of teh referendum then it is possible the Scottish general desire for the UK to stay in may have swung it to Remain. I think everyone within the Union would have accepted that, however it wasn't. you can sit and deny reality , sandy , you can invent as many fantasiies as you like, but the fact remains eu membership was a key plank of better together in 2014 , and scotland voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU , with support recently as high as 70 %.
I think my previous graphic shows a large part of the problem with the uk today . We are living in the end days of a dying empire , a uk state diminishing on every level , and the cottontops as borkie puts it , who didnt fight in any major wars as their parents and grandparents did to further the empire , but sat and took all the best of british that their parents bestowed on them , which their children and grandchildren never received , are clearly living in cloud cuckoo land.
The uk is fecked in my opinion. If it doesnt break up , its going to get swallowed up into the EU.
Thats the reality the geriatrics and chelsea pensioners cant accept. Clearly starmer and labour are intent on fobbing off the jocks , ignoring the taffs , quietly selling the paddies down the river , and taking englandshire back into the EU behind closed doors.
Thats about as good as it gets for the union , a desperate can kicking excercise for a few more years , while england/britian is annexed into the EU. Clearly the establishment have given up on the tories , a party who have been in dire straits since 2016 and camerons resignation , and have stumbled from crises to crises.
Reality is what exists. EU membership was a key plank in the sense that Scotland could not be an immediate EU member if it voted for independence. That does not bind everyone else to the EU and it was well known that there was a strong movement for the Union to leave the EU. These are judgements people have to make. Scotland did not vote for Scotland to stay in the EU they voted for the Union to stay in the EU. I agree that the UK is basically dying on its feet but broadly I see that as a consequence of aligning ourselves with a Bureaucratic entity, filled with the political elite, which despises the Nation state and sees its destruction as a necessary juncture to the global state. This is a long term disaster for any country with Scotland being no exception. We have taken the first step back from the edge of the precipice, there are strong forces pushing against us and have been extremely powerful since 2016. I think Sturgeon well illustrates that stumbling from crisis to crisis is not reserved for the Westminster government. England was relatively free in 2021 whilst Sturgeon was determined to be seen to be one step better which in actual fact was several steps worse. |
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Post by jaydee on Dec 7, 2022 10:35:38 GMT
There is nothing to stop the FM from calling a referendum. She can call as many as she likes. The circumstances have indeed changed with the verdict of the Supreme court. They have confirmed that the Union is not voluntary. . And worse. The decision now ls the property with Sunak. The third PM in as many months. Who was elected by nobody. Not even you. How very fascist. So another lie by the Britnats has been put to bed and who can no longer use the Voluntary as a idiotic rant. In the event of one being carried out. Legal or illegal does not matter one jot. It is the outcome that counts. Not to mention the Scottish Parliament already have a mandate for a indy ref. That means it is not the Scottish Government or the SNP who have the mandate. The Referendums (Scotland) Bill passed by a vote of 68 for, 54 against and 2 abstentions. The Bill became an Act on 29 January 2020. www.parliament.scot/bills-and-laws/bills/referendums-scotland-billlSo it's a forced union, the Scots won't like that. 😹 Which part of the fact that the Supreme court confirmed the Union is not voluntary are you having difficulty with. And indeed the Scots do not like that. Did you work that out all by yourself. Did you also work out by yourself . You have a Prime Minister even you did not vote for. |
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