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Post by borchester on Nov 23, 2022 14:34:35 GMT
It looks as though both sides have won. Westminster won't have to face up to the break up of the UK and the Scots Nats will be spared the prospect of having their dials wiped in Indy2
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Post by jaydee on Nov 23, 2022 18:13:58 GMT
It looks as though both sides have won. Westminster won't have to face up to the break up of the UK and the Scots Nats will be spared the prospect of having their dials wiped in Indy2 How do you work that out maestro. . The Scots are sitting with a bunch of little Englander lying fascist wankers who they did not vote for. Not just recent but since 1950. Do those clowns in Westminster think it is going to go away.
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Post by om15 on Nov 23, 2022 18:59:43 GMT
I quite enjoyed seeing old Billy Bagpipes rear up in the HoC with the usual predictable whinging, very swiftly made to look stupid by Sunak. I thought that the SNP were going to sack him and put someone even more stupid and argumentative in his place, they must have had second thoughts and considered that he was stupid enough to remain.
What are you going to do next? Democracy has spoken, you're staying in the Union, end of.
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 24, 2022 3:17:44 GMT
There is no way the Tories or Labour will want the added shitshow of indyref2, so the SNP's only hope is if neither side can get a majority and are forced into coalition with the SNP.
It's looking like Labour might get a majority in 2024, so that pushes back indyref2 till the 2030s at the earliest.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2022 8:13:56 GMT
Good news for Sturgeon.
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Post by jaydee on Nov 24, 2022 8:47:59 GMT
I quite enjoyed seeing old Billy Bagpipes rear up in the HoC with the usual predictable whinging, very swiftly made to look stupid by Sunak. I thought that the SNP were going to sack him and put someone even more stupid and argumentative in his place, they must have had second thoughts and considered that he was stupid enough to remain. What are you going to do next? Democracy has spoken, you're staying in the Union, end of. Matey let me explain something nice and simple to you as you feel this constant need to uphold the fact you bring to a new level of the meaning of the word imbecile. But before I do do. In terms of Sunak. Sunak made a complete clown and idiot of himself. He dare not lie on this one. He was asked if he now agrees the Britnat whinging that the Union is a voluntary Union. He spectacularly in true fascist tradition, failed to answer. That is the outcome of the decision. It is not a voluntary Union. But to go back to your little Englander whinging garbage. Get this into your swede. The Supreme Court was not asked to decide and cannot decide whether the Scottish Parliament should have the power to hold a independence referendum. Which idiots thinks what was asked. The Scotish government can hold as many referendum as it likes. The Supreme Courts was asked to set out what the law is in the case of competence. . They do not make the law. Westminster does. In this case the devolution settlement in the Scotland Act 1998. That is what it has done. The judgement makes it perfectly clear that the Scottish electorate is refused a democratic decision as it will be wiped out by, and in this case someone who was not even elected by anybody, far less the Scots, as a Prime Minister. How very fascist. In short it is not a voluntary Union. That out and lie, as usual with Britnats has now been put to bed. In terms of what can they do. Well as someone who spend his sad life on the Scottish forum continually spewing anti Scottish hate filled bile. With every post he calls a fact, always 100% wrong. You have been told a dozen times by me. The indy ref on the date specified can still go ahead. Illegal or illegal is now not a issue. The voluntary union is a lie. It will be the result that counts. Or in the next GE the FM will make it a de-facto issue. Or both. Now point out where democracy has spoken. And you still have not answered in your continual anti Scottish hate filled bile where the FM stole all this money you rant about.
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Post by jaydee on Nov 24, 2022 8:49:48 GMT
There is no way the Tories or Labour will want the added shitshow of indyref2, so the SNP's only hope is if neither side can get a majority and are forced into coalition with the SNP. It's looking like Labour might get a majority in 2024, so that pushes back indyref2 till the 2030s at the earliest. I refer you to the shit show called Westminster, as its lies have been exposed once again. It has not changed since I posted it. I forgot to add in the post. I wrote it on Word about two weeks ago. As the definition of what was being asked was clear. It is not a voluntary Union. It is another copy and paste which will not change. The rants and meaningless sound bites now being spewed were predicted. Like Brexit means Brexit. We will now control our own borders. And so on. ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/22152/thread
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Post by jaydee on Nov 24, 2022 8:50:41 GMT
What is good news for Sturgeon
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 24, 2022 9:08:48 GMT
There is no way the Tories or Labour will want the added shitshow of indyref2, so the SNP's only hope is if neither side can get a majority and are forced into coalition with the SNP. It's looking like Labour might get a majority in 2024, so that pushes back indyref2 till the 2030s at the earliest. I refer you to the shit show called Westminster, as its lies have been exposed once again. It has not changed since I posted it. I forgot to add in the post. I wrote it on Word about two weeks ago. As the definition of what was being asked was clear. It is not a voluntary Union. It is another copy and paste which will not change. The rants and meaningless sound bites now being spewed were predicted. Like Brexit means Brexit. We will now control our own borders. And so on. ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/22152/threadI think Scotland should be free to leave whenever they choose. I also wish they would allow an English independence vote then you definitely would be an independent country by default None of this matters though, because in the real world neither the Tories or Labour are going to allow indyref2 for the foreseeable future because they will be dealing with the post-COVID problems for at least a decade. Like I said, I think you will get the vote in the 2030s.
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Post by jaydee on Nov 24, 2022 10:41:44 GMT
I refer you to the shit show called Westminster, as its lies have been exposed once again. It has not changed since I posted it. I forgot to add in the post. I wrote it on Word about two weeks ago. As the definition of what was being asked was clear. It is not a voluntary Union. It is another copy and paste which will not change. The rants and meaningless sound bites now being spewed were predicted. Like Brexit means Brexit. We will now control our own borders. And so on. ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/22152/threadI think Scotland should be free to leave whenever they choose. I also wish they would allow an English independence vote then you definitely would be an independent country by default None of this matters though, because in the real world neither the Tories or Labour are going to allow indyref2 for the foreseeable future because they will be dealing with the post-COVID problems for at least a decade. Like I said, I think you will get the vote in the 2030s. I agree with most of that. Give or take a year 2030 is about right. But the second Scotland costs bankrupt England one penny. Now is not the time will change in about a week. In terms of Covid. it was dealt with by QE. That will be paid for by your grandkids grandkids grandkids. What is the total QE now. Last I checked it was around £800 billion since 2010.
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 24, 2022 13:50:19 GMT
I think Scotland should be free to leave whenever they choose. I also wish they would allow an English independence vote then you definitely would be an independent country by default None of this matters though, because in the real world neither the Tories or Labour are going to allow indyref2 for the foreseeable future because they will be dealing with the post-COVID problems for at least a decade. Like I said, I think you will get the vote in the 2030s. I agree with most of that. Give or take a year 2030 is about right. But the second Scotland costs bankrupt England one penny. Now is not the time will change in about a week. In terms of Covid. it was dealt with by QE. That will be paid for by your grandkids grandkids grandkids. What is the total QE now. Last I checked it was around £800 billion since 2010. QE is done by the central bank (Bank of England), not the government. When you look at the £2.8 trillion debt, nearly all of that was spent on universally support things ie bank bailout, covid lockdowns, furlough, testing, vaccination and now cost of living / energy price support. The majority agreed with all those things, so the majority are going to have to suffer the hardship that level of debt is going to cause. You are fighting the wrong battle; we don't care if you become independent or not. Your battle is to convince the majority of Scots that independence is the right choice.
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Post by jaydee on Nov 25, 2022 10:13:34 GMT
I agree with most of that. Give or take a year 2030 is about right. But the second Scotland costs bankrupt England one penny. Now is not the time will change in about a week. In terms of Covid. it was dealt with by QE. That will be paid for by your grandkids grandkids grandkids. What is the total QE now. Last I checked it was around £800 billion since 2010. QE is done by the central bank (Bank of England), not the government. When you look at the £2.8 trillion debt, nearly all of that was spent on universally support things ie bank bailout, covid lockdowns, furlough, testing, vaccination and now cost of living / energy price support. The majority agreed with all those things, so the majority are going to have to suffer the hardship that level of debt is going to cause. You are fighting the wrong battle; we don't care if you become independent or not. Your battle is to convince the majority of Scots that independence is the right choice. Governments do not have money. The tax payer does. And the Bank of England' is not a bank. That is a misnomer. It is a regulatory authority that regulates the banking system in the UK. And lender of last resort. The lender of last resort matey is the tax payer. The Bank of England does not even have enough gold reserve to cover the PFI debt of £300 billion on NHS trusts in bankrupt England. Quantitative easing is a type of monetary policy in which a nation's central bank tries to increase the liquidity in its financial system, typically by purchasing long term government bonds from that nation's largest banks and stimulating economic growth by encouraging banks to lend or invest more freely. That liquidity eased the cost of borrowing which in the case of covid. Will be paid back by your grand kids grand kids grand kids. Since 2010 that will be around £800 billion. The UK because of the wankers in government have lost the AAA rating. And borrowing is now not cheap. Even the Germans could not destroy the UK economy when they flooded Europe with fake UK banknotes. That is basically what QE is. This bunch of wankers who you are a apologist for managed that in less than 44 days. In terms of the WE, as you rant you speak for everybody, in who does not care. The wankers in Westminster certainly care as they know at a minimum when Scotland goes its merry way bankrupt England will have to borrow at a minimum some £100 billion more than it does now. Just to stand still. So the WE do care. In the case of the Supreme Court. What the court judgement has concluded. The UK is not a voluntary Union. End of . And the Scots are not fighting the wrong battle. The devolution act simply needs changing. How very fascist that a wanker in Number 10, who was not even elected as a Prime Minister by the English, far less the Scots. Can dictate. And the SNP have won the last few elections on a indy ref mandate. And matey if the English, the sick man of Europe want to bankrupt themselves, as they cannot live within their means. Doing a bang up job on that. Nobody in Scotland gives a rats crap. It is dragging the Scots with them. That is the problem www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/feb/17/nazis-fake-british-banknotes www.theneweuropean.co.uk/paul-mason-the-effects-of-brexit-on-britain/
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 10:50:40 GMT
What is good news for Sturgeon She doesn't have to go through organising a referendum and at the next GE she will wind up the nationalists. Guaranteed victory for the SNP. All she has to say is "England won't let us have a vote".
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Post by jaydee on Nov 25, 2022 11:07:59 GMT
What is good news for Sturgeon She doesn't have to go through organising a referendum and at the next GE she will wind up the nationalists. Guaranteed victory for the SNP. All she has to say is "England won't let us have a vote". And indeed she is correct. The laughable bit with a Prime Minster who was not even voted in by the English How very fascist. As Sunak winds up the Britnats, in bankrupt England .
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 25, 2022 11:17:41 GMT
What is good news for Sturgeon She doesn't have to go through organising a referendum and at the next GE she will wind up the nationalists. Guaranteed victory for the SNP. All she has to say is "England won't let us have a vote".
Hopefully this will put to an end all those claims that Scotland is a sovereign country...
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