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Post by buccaneer on Nov 27, 2022 10:11:06 GMT
Scotland have already been granted a referendum. SNATs are like remainers. They keep wanting a referendum until they get the 'correct' answer. They were promised that the UK would remain in the EU. What do you think would happen if they exercised their 'right' as a free country to declare independence? They wanted to leave the Union when they were managed by Brussels. They've had their vote. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 10:16:14 GMT
That is the point. The UK is not a 'forced' union it is a union of, supposedly, like minded countries. This is not how it is playing out though and the Scottish people are beginning to see it. The UK unilaterally left the union of Europe but will not afford the same right to Scotland and are 'forcing' them to remain. That 'force' is all Sturgeon needs to get a whopping majority at the next GE This will come back to haunt 'England' at the next GE, because let's face it Scotland looks at England and sees us for what we are. I don't want Scotland to leave our union, but I can accept that they have the right to do so, should they wish. Red rum your missing out on a couple of things. 1 We had a referendum and the vote was leave so the govenment left to wish of the Majority of people who d a referemdum for scotland to leave the uk most voters voted remain so the Govenment allowed them to remain . 2 Had a referendum to leave the uk most people who voted , voted to remain so the Govenment allowed scotland to remain not that i think the referemdums was totaly Democratic has the referemdums was treated like a GE instead of a regional election like council elections. if trated like council elections Scotland , Ni ireland and even london would been able to remain in the Eu because thats what the marjorty of people wanted in them regions . Also if traeted like a council election morre citizens of the uk would been able to vote. You appear to be confusing the timeline. The vote in Scotland was before the EU vote. Scotland was promised that the UK would remain in the EU. which was a big selling point for our union, we left. Scotland voted to remain in the EU. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 10:18:22 GMT
Buccaneer the remainers want a another referemdum because It was won on lies remain want a referemdum because leaving has turned into a total disasater . Remains want a referendum because polls suggest the marjority of people to remain after 6 yrs Remainers want another referendum because they're still pissed off at losing, whether it was 6 years, six months or six hours. They spend their time whinging in newspapers and on forums, you are a major whinger. Do you honestly think that if Brexit was or looked like it might be a success they would want to re-join? Brexit is a disaster even the Tories are saying it is crap. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 27, 2022 12:06:08 GMT
Remainers want another referendum because they're still pissed off at losing, whether it was 6 years, six months or six hours. They spend their time whinging in newspapers and on forums, you are a major whinger. Do you honestly think that if Brexit was or looked like it might be a success they would want to re-join? Brexit is a disaster even the Tories are saying it is crap. Even Brexiteers are saying Its crap there sorry they voted to leave |
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Post by jaydee on Nov 27, 2022 18:00:59 GMT
She doesn't have to go through organising a referendum and at the next GE she will wind up the nationalists. Guaranteed victory for the SNP. All she has to say is "England won't let us have a vote".
Hopefully this will put to an end all those claims that Scotland is a sovereign country... Are you saying bankrupt England is not a sovereign country. That is what you have just said. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 27, 2022 19:47:52 GMT
Do you honestly think that if Brexit was or looked like it might be a success they would want to re-join? Brexit is a disaster even the Tories are saying it is crap. Even Brexiteers are saying Its crap there sorry they voted to leave I'm proud to have voted leave. I would again vote to not be in the EU. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2022 5:17:50 GMT
They were promised that the UK would remain in the EU. What do you think would happen if they exercised their 'right' as a free country to declare independence? They wanted to leave the Union when they were managed by Brussels. They've had their vote. Keep telling the same lies but they will still be lies. 😊 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2022 5:19:06 GMT
Hopefully this will put to an end all those claims that Scotland is a sovereign country... Are you saying bankrupt England is not a sovereign country. That is what you have just said. Good point. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 28, 2022 6:28:39 GMT
They wanted to leave the Union when they were managed by Brussels. They've had their vote. Keep telling the same lies but they will still be lies. 😊 The snats managed to get their vote for supposed independence in 2014 when the UK was a member of the EU? Are you saying this didn't happen? |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 28, 2022 6:38:40 GMT
Red rum your missing out on a couple of things. 1 We had a referendum and the vote was leave so the govenment left to wish of the Majority of people who d a referemdum for scotland to leave the uk most voters voted remain so the Govenment allowed them to remain . 2 Had a referendum to leave the uk most people who voted , voted to remain so the Govenment allowed scotland to remain not that i think the referemdums was totaly Democratic has the referemdums was treated like a GE instead of a regional election like council elections. if trated like council elections Scotland , Ni ireland and even london would been able to remain in the Eu because thats what the marjorty of people wanted in them regions . Also if traeted like a council election morre citizens of the uk would been able to vote. You appear to be confusing the timeline. The vote in Scotland was before the EU vote. Scotland was promised that the UK would remain in the EU. which was a big selling point for our union, we left. Scotland voted to remain in the EU. Who tried to bind future UK governments with a promise to Scots that the UK would remain in the EU? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2022 6:45:32 GMT
Keep telling the same lies but they will still be lies. 😊 The snats managed to get their vote for supposed independence in 2014 when the UK was a member of the EU? Are you saying this didn't happen? Are you really saying you cannot read. Scottish Independence ref 2014. EU referendum 2016. Scotland was promised the UK would not leave the EU before the Scottish referendum. We left. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 28, 2022 7:56:42 GMT
The snats managed to get their vote for supposed independence in 2014 when the UK was a member of the EU? Are you saying this didn't happen? Are you really saying you cannot read. Scottish Independence ref 2014. EU referendum 2016. Scotland was promised the UK would not leave the EU before the Scottish referendum. We left. i wouldnt worry about buccy. He is still a wee bit upset about england only drawing with the mighty america.
A main plank of the better together campaign as everyone knows apart form the willfully blind was scotland had to stay in the uk to stay in the eu .Cameron knew scotland was pro european , so hung much of his campaign on that fact.
Doesnt matter who has selective amnesia , or willfully denys reality , the fact remains a lot of people in scotland , many of them former unionists , are extremely unhappy about England taking us out the EU.
People like buccy cant say they werent warned before they voted. Remainers were pointing out the damage brexit would do to the unity of the disunited kingdom as far back as 2014 if not earlier.
I mind reading an article on the matter by constitutional expert and lawyer Eileen mcHarg on the matter , from 2014 , when she listed all the legal implications and of course political problems . We are supposed to be in a voluntary union , but whatever anyones view , if two partners cant agree the way forward in mutual harmony , then time to split and go seperate ways.
The scottish and english have had differeing views on europe , wether the current EU , or the nations of the continent itself , going back over the last millenia.
No one can say they didnt realise scotland and england typically dont agree over europe ,and havent agreed for centuries , unless they are willfully ignorant and blind.
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Post by jaydee on Nov 28, 2022 9:26:54 GMT
Keep telling the same lies but they will still be lies. 😊 The snats managed to get their vote for supposed independence in 2014 when the UK was a member of the EU? Are you saying this didn't happen? What's a snat. Third time I have asked. And the SNP did not get the vote. The Scottish people did. And the Scottish Parliament, which means it was not not the SNP, agreed to accept the result provided there was no material change in circumstances. That included Tories and Labour the tartan Tories. Along with the Libs. Which brain washed Britnats keep forgetting. And as late as last week it has now been confirmed the Union is not voluntary. Not that it needed confirming. So that crap and Brexit can no longer be used. So from Brexit to three Prime Ministers this year. One of whom, never even spoke to the Scots and the other two wanker's, are mirror images. Of sleaze and lies. Now the Scots have to get permission from a clown who was elected by nobody. Not even the English. Are you saying this did not happen. And I am still waiting on a reply on the Scottish forum from your rent free havering slastering drivel from bankrupt England. You should try and take up politics. You could start with understanding that the primary purpose of the SNP. Is to leave the Union. T hat means it does not want to leave England. That is in your deluded mind. Your problem with that being. For some one who rants the Scots live rent free. I thought you would be rooting for the SNP. As Spock would say. Your logic does not compute. That is why ex Conservative like me and many like me along with some 40% of Labour voters in Scotland , voted in the SNP for there 4th term. That is why they are in power and will stay in power. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 28, 2022 9:30:21 GMT
The snats managed to get their vote for supposed independence in 2014 when the UK was a member of the EU? Are you saying this didn't happen? Are you really saying you cannot read. Scottish Independence ref 2014. EU referendum 2016. Scotland was promised the UK would not leave the EU before the Scottish referendum. We left. Who tried to bind (and had no right to) future UK governments with a promise to Scots that the UK would remain in the EU? |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 28, 2022 9:35:12 GMT
Are you really saying you cannot read. Scottish Independence ref 2014. EU referendum 2016. Scotland was promised the UK would not leave the EU before the Scottish referendum. We left. i wouldnt worry about buccy. He is still a wee bit upset about england only drawing with the mighty america.
A main plank of the better together campaign as everyone knows apart form the willfully blind was scotland had to stay in the uk to stay in the eu .Cameron knew scotland was pro european , so hung much of his campaign on that fact.
Doesnt matter who has selective amnesia , or willfully denys reality , the fact remains a lot of people in scotland , many of them former unionists , are extremely unhappy about England taking us out the EU.
People like buccy cant say they werent warned before they voted. Remainers were pointing out the damage brexit would do to the unity of the disunited kingdom as far back as 2014 if not earlier.
I mind reading an article on the matter by constitutional expert and lawyer Eileen mcHarg on the matter , from 2014 , when she listed all the legal implications and of course political problems . We are supposed to be in a voluntary union , but whatever anyones view , if two partners cant agree the way forward in mutual harmony , then time to split and go seperate ways.
The scottish and english have had differeing views on europe , wether the current EU , or the nations of the continent itself , going back over the last millenia.
No one can say they didnt realise scotland and england typically dont agree over europe ,and havent agreed for centuries , unless they are willfully ignorant and blind.
I understand it must grate watching the English on the world stage while Scotland are at home washing the dishes. And of course it must hurt as scotland lost its court case on domestic matters. scotland and losing seem pretty synonymous, eh Balmy? However, the SNP were an anti-EU party back in the day, so to say Scots have always had different views to the English on the EU is a bit of a stretch. The only fundamental difference on Europe that England and scotland had is the religious aspect where all surrounding European nations tried to force, coerce, invade England to recognise the Pope who was the only human who could speak to God. |
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