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Post by colbops on Oct 15, 2022 19:34:38 GMT
I see. What are you hoping to get out of joining the EU? 1.) Full access to the single market. 2.) Party to the EU trade deals. 3.) Easier faster travel around the continent. 4.)Ooh and a more stable pound would be nice. 1.) How will that benefit you? I shop domestically, how might it benefit me? 2.) How will that benefit you? I don't export, how might it benefit me? 3.) I've not had any difficulty visiting relatives on the continent recently, how will it make my travel faster? 4.) The pound had periods of extreme volatility while we were in the EU last time and I don't see a direct corrolation between stability and membership - why would it be any different? All serious questions by the way. Sell it to me. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 15, 2022 20:15:19 GMT
1.) Full access to the single market. 2.) Party to the EU trade deals. 3.) Easier faster travel around the continent. 4.)Ooh and a more stable pound would be nice. 1.) How will that benefit you? I shop domestically, how might it benefit me? 2.) How will that benefit you? I don't export, how might it benefit me? 3.) I've not had any difficulty visiting relatives on the continent recently, how will it make my travel faster? 4.) The pound had periods of extreme volatility while we were in the EU last time and I don't see a direct corrolation between stability and membership - why would it be any different? All serious questions by the way. Sell it to me. 1, I run a business, so everyone doing well effects me. I have no idea how it will benefit you. 2, As above 3, We travel a lot in the EU. It definitely takes longer to get through customs now. But its not a major issue. 4, When was the pound this unstable while we were full members of the EU? I don't think I can sell it to you. I don't know anything about you. In any case you have had 6 years of Brexit to make up your own mind. |
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Post by om15 on Oct 17, 2022 16:25:03 GMT
The desires of the public are pretty clear, they voted quite decisively for Brexit, after the duplicitous and dishonest Mrs May the public gave Boris an eighty seat majority because they believed that he would complete it. The Tories then got a taste for lack of discipline and loyalty after the Mrs May mess and then chucked out Boris, then their new PM lasts a couple of weeks.
The root cause of this situation is that the Tories want power but don't want to do Brexit, many of their MPs (mine included) are closet lefties with a woke agenda more suited to the Lib Dems and they have disappointed those who voted for them
Nothing has changed, people still want Brexit, the Tories have failed to deliver so I think that the Reform UK Party will be well placed to take advantage at the next election. Nigel Farage (and it seems GB News as well) has written off the Tories and is briskly talking of a return to politics. Labour are still thought of as unelectable for obvious reasons, forget the polls, they have never been right, the country is still right wing inclined and I think that Reform will be a serious option at the moment.
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Oct 17, 2022 17:44:25 GMT
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Post by dappy on Oct 17, 2022 17:44:25 GMT
What is “Brexit”
How many seats do you think Reform may win?
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Post by zanygame on Oct 17, 2022 19:57:09 GMT
The desires of the public are pretty clear, they voted quite decisively for Brexit, after the duplicitous and dishonest Mrs May the public gave Boris an eighty seat majority because they believed that he would complete it. The Tories then got a taste for lack of discipline and loyalty after the Mrs May mess and then chucked out Boris, then their new PM lasts a couple of weeks. The root cause of this situation is that the Tories want power but don't want to do Brexit, many of their MPs (mine included) are closet lefties with a woke agenda more suited to the Lib Dems and they have disappointed those who voted for them Nothing has changed, people still want Brexit, the Tories have failed to deliver so I think that the Reform UK Party will be well placed to take advantage at the next election. Nigel Farage (and it seems GB News as well) has written off the Tories and is briskly talking of a return to politics. Labour are still thought of as unelectable for obvious reasons, forget the polls, they have never been right, the country is still right wing inclined and I think that Reform will be a serious option at the moment. The original vote was marginal. Boris got voted in because the alternative was Corbyn. Everything has changed and the people don't want Brexit. Perhaps Reform will give us a second referendum just to prove you are right. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 17, 2022 20:14:07 GMT
The desires of the public are pretty clear, they voted quite decisively for Brexit, after the duplicitous and dishonest Mrs May the public gave Boris an eighty seat majority because they believed that he would complete it. The Tories then got a taste for lack of discipline and loyalty after the Mrs May mess and then chucked out Boris, then their new PM lasts a couple of weeks. The root cause of this situation is that the Tories want power but don't want to do Brexit, many of their MPs (mine included) are closet lefties with a woke agenda more suited to the Lib Dems and they have disappointed those who voted for them Nothing has changed, people still want Brexit, the Tories have failed to deliver so I think that the Reform UK Party will be well placed to take advantage at the next election. Nigel Farage (and it seems GB News as well) has written off the Tories and is briskly talking of a return to politics. Labour are still thought of as unelectable for obvious reasons, forget the polls, they have never been right, the country is still right wing inclined and I think that Reform will be a serious option at the moment. The original vote was marginal. Boris got voted in because the alternative was Corbyn. Everything has changed and the people don't want Brexit. Perhaps Reform will give us a second referendum just to prove you are right. Marginal %age wise but not in number of votes. Boris got voted in. How do you know the people do not want Brexit. If it is the polls should we pay attention to every poll result? |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 17, 2022 20:21:38 GMT
The original vote was marginal. Boris got voted in because the alternative was Corbyn. Everything has changed and the people don't want Brexit. Perhaps Reform will give us a second referendum just to prove you are right. Marginal %age wise but not in number of votes. Boris got voted in. How do you know the people do not want Brexit. If it is the polls should we pay attention to every poll result? I know because I'm happy to have another vote and you're not. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 17, 2022 21:33:00 GMT
The desires of the public are pretty clear, they voted quite decisively for Brexit, after the duplicitous and dishonest Mrs May the public gave Boris an eighty seat majority because they believed that he would complete it. The Tories then got a taste for lack of discipline and loyalty after the Mrs May mess and then chucked out Boris, then their new PM lasts a couple of weeks. The root cause of this situation is that the Tories want power but don't want to do Brexit, many of their MPs (mine included) are closet lefties with a woke agenda more suited to the Lib Dems and they have disappointed those who voted for them Nothing has changed, people still want Brexit, the Tories have failed to deliver so I think that the Reform UK Party will be well placed to take advantage at the next election. Nigel Farage (and it seems GB News as well) has written off the Tories and is briskly talking of a return to politics. Labour are still thought of as unelectable for obvious reasons, forget the polls, they have never been right, the country is still right wing inclined and I think that Reform will be a serious option at the moment. The original vote was marginal. Boris got voted in because the alternative was Corbyn. Everything has changed and the people don't want Brexit. Perhaps Reform will give us a second referendum just to prove you are right. So why are none of the major Political Parties proposing another referendum? Perhaps they are not as sure as you about what the people want..  |
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Reform UK
Oct 17, 2022 22:04:47 GMT
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Post by dappy on Oct 17, 2022 22:04:47 GMT
Probably because in the real world it’s not in our gift to join the EU. They wouldn’t have us.
We now have to make the best of the bad job we imposed on ourselves.
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Post by colbops on Oct 17, 2022 22:11:46 GMT
Marginal %age wise but not in number of votes. Boris got voted in. How do you know the people do not want Brexit. If it is the polls should we pay attention to every poll result? I know because I'm happy to have another vote and you're not. It wouldn't make any sense to have a referendum. The government of the day would need to open up talks, see if the EU were up for it, negotiate a deal if so. Then and only then, could there be a referendum |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 17, 2022 22:14:58 GMT
Probably because in the real world it’s not in our gift to join the EU. They wouldn’t have us. We now have to make the best of the bad job we imposed on ourselves. Not sure about that - my social media is filled with posts from EU politicians saying they would welcome us back. And looking at it logically - with the massive budget issues of the EU why would they not want a net contributor joining?. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 17, 2022 22:19:59 GMT
I think that you'd be surprised. There's a many in the EU who didn't want us to leave and hope that we return. Of course we are currently looking for growth in the UK, and the biggest factor has been the loss of the single market. Of course, it is possible to rejoin the single market without having to join the EU. I wonder if that is what the politicians will end up with. I'd certainly welcome that as a compromise. Andrew, you will not be surprised to know that across Europe the EU is not popular. It survives in spite of democracy, not because of it. No one voted for it, and it can't be voted out. The EU commission is a soft politburo. I still have friends in Germany who are very anti EU but you wont hear about that on the BBC. And believe me if you think the EU is popular in France, you're away with the fairies. But it doesn't matter, because as I said, the EU was imposed and cannot be voted out. |
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Post by Steve on Oct 17, 2022 22:20:53 GMT
So why are none of the major Political Parties proposing another referendum? Perhaps they are not as sure as you about what the people want.. Because they know the EU would not let us back in on anything like the deal we had on offer in June 2016 |
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Reform UK
Oct 17, 2022 22:39:47 GMT
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Post by dappy on Oct 17, 2022 22:39:47 GMT
Probably because in the real world it’s not in our gift to join the EU. They wouldn’t have us. We now have to make the best of the bad job we imposed on ourselves. Not sure about that - my social media is filled with posts from EU politicians saying they would welcome us back. And looking at it logically - with the massive budget issues of the EU why would they not want a net contributor joining?. Well think about it for a moment. The UK is now highly unstable politically. One of its two main parties has no idea what it is. Is it one nation pragmatism or libertarian. The EU absolutely would like a stable UK back - we remain one of the biggest economies. The EU can live with the UK being out. What the EU doesn’t want is the UK to leave, rejoin, releave, rerejoin, rereleave etc etc. Which is why rejoining would not be an option before there was a clear and sustained consensus over many years to do so. They simply will not have us. |
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 17, 2022 22:46:08 GMT
Wolf in sheep's clothing.
Economic turmoil due to post COV-ID spending and a war in Ukraine and Remainers insisting upon us returning to the EU.
Unbelievable for those of us who aren't conned by this illusion.
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