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Post by see2 on Nov 16, 2022 9:48:06 GMT
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Post by Bentley on Nov 16, 2022 9:56:44 GMT
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Post by see2 on Nov 16, 2022 14:06:48 GMT
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Post by Bentley on Nov 16, 2022 15:56:15 GMT
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Reform UK
Nov 16, 2022 17:46:23 GMT
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 16, 2022 17:46:23 GMT
Like me you're a floating voter then Think of it this way: floating voters have all the power In perhaps half a dozen constituencies, perhaps. In the majority of constituencies in the UK, if your politics do not align with the sitting MP whose majority is weighed, not counted, you are seen as a turd floating on the tide, who can be safely ignored. |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 16, 2022 18:28:11 GMT
Like me you're a floating voter then Think of it this way: floating voters have all the power In perhaps half a dozen constituencies, perhaps. In the majority of constituencies in the UK, if your politics do not align with the sitting MP whose majority is weighed, not counted, you are seen as a turd floating on the tide, who can be safely ignored. Not if the turds are from the whole voting population. In a pre-election discussion with John Hayes MP, I told him I didn't vote, to which he replied that I was a non-committed voter who could be converted. The smile on his face disappeared when I said ,"I am not a non-committed voter, I am a committed non-voter". It was 14 or 15 years before I cast my first vote for a party that wanted us out of the EU though I couldn't vote for such party when The Reform UK withdrew candidates from Tory safe seats, a terrible mistake by Nigel and Tice. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 16, 2022 22:53:58 GMT
More delusional projection ^^ |
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Reform UK
Nov 17, 2022 8:10:41 GMT
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 17, 2022 8:10:41 GMT
In perhaps half a dozen constituencies, perhaps. In the majority of constituencies in the UK, if your politics do not align with the sitting MP whose majority is weighed, not counted, you are seen as a turd floating on the tide, who can be safely ignored. Not if the turds are from the whole voting population. In a pre-election discussion with John Hayes MP, I told him I didn't vote, to which he replied that I was a non-committed voter who could be converted. The smile on his face disappeared when I said ,"I am not a non-committed voter, I am a committed non-voter". It was 14 or 15 years before I cast my first vote for a party that wanted us out of the EU though I couldn't vote for such party when The Reform UK withdrew candidates from Tory safe seats, a terrible mistake by Nigel and Tice. This doesn’t really make sense to me unless he thought you were as good a liar as most politicians. If you really were committed to not voting then you’re not of the slightest interest to him. Because he like every politician is only interested in ensuring the people who let him collect 84k plus perks this year collect 94k, 104k or 114k in two and a half years time I’ve said elsewhere Keele University used to keep a set of records of who voted what, a set of records going back in history king before the internet and Wikipedia collected the information together. It clearly shows the vast, vast majority of seats in the UK have been rigged by the institutions responsible to ensure the sitting MP is returned by a majority so huge it will need an earthquake to dislodge them. This is why at election time a dozen coach companies and two or three helicopter charter providers are very, very busy getting supposed big hitters to the fifteen, maybe twenty at most seats where the margins are low enough to be swung Sure, if you are a floating voter in Henley In Arden or more likely Wolverhampton South you are the politicians target. In Huntingdon or Islwyn or The Orkneys or Anglesey there are plenty of floating voters, but unless you are in the 30 odd percentage whose votes make up the 20,000 majority who vote Blue or Red or Yellow or Green And Orange there, you have NO voice except at referenda. I have sat in a count where the turnout was 18% The ballot boxes started arriving at 10:10pm and we were out of the building by 10:50. I admit I had to get my pal in the pub to buy it for me at 10:58 but I was able to get to the pub and enjoy that pint long before drinking up time ended at 11:20 That was the Euro Elections of 2009 the ones that saw engagement drop to the lowest ever and Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons elected to Brussels. Well done Labour. |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 17, 2022 13:57:22 GMT
Not if the turds are from the whole voting population. In a pre-election discussion with John Hayes MP, I told him I didn't vote, to which he replied that I was a non-committed voter who could be converted. The smile on his face disappeared when I said ,"I am not a non-committed voter, I am a committed non-voter". It was 14 or 15 years before I cast my first vote for a party that wanted us out of the EU though I couldn't vote for such party when The Reform UK withdrew candidates from Tory safe seats, a terrible mistake by Nigel and Tice. This doesn’t really make sense to me unless he thought you were as good a liar as most politicians. If you really were committed to not voting then you’re not of the slightest interest to him. Because he like every politician is only interested in ensuring the people who let him collect 84k plus perks this year collect 94k, 104k or 114k in two and a half years time I’ve said elsewhere Keele University used to keep a set of records of who voted what, a set of records going back in history king before the internet and Wikipedia collected the information together. It clearly shows the vast, vast majority of seats in the UK have been rigged by the institutions responsible to ensure the sitting MP is returned by a majority so huge it will need an earthquake to dislodge them. This is why at election time a dozen coach companies and two or three helicopter charter providers are very, very busy getting supposed big hitters to the fifteen, maybe twenty at most seats where the margins are low enough to be swung Sure, if you are a floating voter in Henley In Arden or more likely Wolverhampton South you are the politicians target. In Huntingdon or Islwyn or The Orkneys or Anglesey there are plenty of floating voters, but unless you are in the 30 odd percentage whose votes make up the 20,000 majority who vote Blue or Red or Yellow or Green And Orange there, you have NO voice except at referenda. I have sat in a count where the turnout was 18% The ballot boxes started arriving at 10:10pm and we were out of the building by 10:50. I admit I had to get my pal in the pub to buy it for me at 10:58 but I was able to get to the pub and enjoy that pint long before drinking up time ended at 11:20 That was the Euro Elections of 2009 the ones that saw engagement drop to the lowest ever and Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons elected to Brussels. Well done Labour. Prospective MPs regard what they see as non-committed voters as a potential for converting to their cause. Present during that conversation was Hayes' agent Craig Jackson who promptly invited me to a nearby pub. I never really understood why, other than he probably wanted light relief from the boredom of what he was doing. Some 10 years later he was arrested and jailed for kidnap: www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-13199762 |
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Post by om15 on Nov 21, 2022 17:39:48 GMT
Nigel Farage makes a point today writing in the Express, he says that in some polls the Tories are down to 20% and Reform are at 9%, it is not impossible for these figures to be reversed quite quickly.
Everyone seems very distrustful of Hunt and Sunak, of Brexit in particular and migrants wading ashore as well.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 21, 2022 17:42:43 GMT
If Farage returns to front line politics as the leader of Reform I think its pretty guaranteed that the Tory vote would collapse into single figures - exactly what the Tories deserve.
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 21, 2022 18:09:46 GMT
If Farage returns to front line politics as the leader of Reform I think its pretty guaranteed that the Tory vote would collapse into single figures - exactly what the Tories deserve. Dont you think Farage Is somewhat a liberty think he stood for A Mp 4 times and the Electorate has rejected him 4 times. Even the offical Brexit campaign wouldnt touch him with a barge poll |
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Post by om15 on Nov 21, 2022 18:34:43 GMT
This is interesting, listen to Richard Tice
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 21, 2022 22:29:26 GMT
If Farage returns to front line politics as the leader of Reform I think its pretty guaranteed that the Tory vote would collapse into single figures - exactly what the Tories deserve. Dont you think Farage Is somewhat a liberty think he stood for A Mp 4 times and the Electorate has rejected him 4 times. Even the offical Brexit campaign wouldnt touch him with a barge poll People like you have been misjudging Farage's popularity for years - that is why the Leave side won the Brexit referendum. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 21, 2022 23:18:09 GMT
Dondebate think Farage Is somewhat a liberty think he stood for A Mp 4 times and the Electorate has rejected him 4 times. Even the offical Brexit campaign wouldnt touch him with a barge poll People like you have been misjudging Farage's popularity for years - that is why the Leave side won the Brexit referendum. Brexit won the referemdem because of Borris johnson and his patriot speech at the end of tv debates. |
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