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Post by Bentley on Nov 2, 2022 11:30:53 GMT
Right wing? Seriously 😁
we must become a low tax, smartly regulated,high growth economy.'
'Our police need to focus on preventing crime and catching criminals, not woke nonsense.'
I’d say centre
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Post by om15 on Nov 2, 2022 11:38:22 GMT
How on earth can anyone consider the reasonable and common sense objectives of Reform as "extreme"? and describing them as right wing isn't actually the insult that it it is intended to be.
Unless you think that a massive and unsupportable public sector, uncontrolled immigration and living on massive borrowing is a good future for the citizens of the UK I can't see what any reasonable person might object to.
'Our police need to focus on preventing crime and catching criminals, not woke nonsense.'
Anyone who feels that is an extreme sentiment needs to have a think about things.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 2, 2022 11:39:47 GMT
Thats is so true my friend. But I don't think even the allies imagined how many POW's they would have to handle. There were of course atrocities on both sides but then again we don't know if they were revenge killing for a buddy they had lost or for personal revenge. It's well documented in the Smithsonian Institution that ol blood and guts paton was furious when he was first shown the death camps and took out his pistol and shot several of the German guards and told his men I have started it so you finish it which many carried out with relish. . Approximately 1 million Disarmed Enemy Troops died primarily in camps under US control where a policy of deprivation of the prisoners is easy to pinpoint from the stores' records and from the SHAEF orders as well as from testimony of many of the prisoners. These were not prison guards these were enemy soldiers often conscripted on pain of death and the remnants of a defeated nation. It shows how easy it is to kill 1 million people within a year if that is the intent or even if the intent is just a lack of care. The British refused to describe enemy troops as anything other than POWs and treated them accordingly. Sorry I thought you were refering to the POW's who had been taken in Grermany and were held there until they could be removed. I honestly didn't realise there were that many who met their deaths whilst in the USA. Now if that had of been in Russia it would been a different ball game. Most of these black deeds on either side are still trying to be covered up and denied. We all know how capable the US armed forces are of carrying out these atrocities take the My Lai massacre in Vietnam for example. I am not sure how many allied POW's on in the war against Germany met their deaths whilst being held. But I don't think it would be anywhere near a million. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 2, 2022 11:42:38 GMT
How on earth can anyone consider the reasonable and common sense objectives of Reform as "extreme"? and describing them as right wing isn't actually the insult that it it is intended to be. Unless you think that a massive and unsupportable public sector, uncontrolled immigration and living on massive borrowing is a good future for the citizens of the UK I can't see what any reasonable person might object to. 'Our police need to focus on preventing crime and catching criminals, not woke nonsense.' Anyone who feels that is an extreme sentiment needs to have a think about things. 'Our police need to focus on preventing crime and catching criminals, not woke nonsense.' I suspect the accusation that this is right wing is based on an insinuation that the party thinks being aware of racial injustice is nonsense . Which is bollocks tbh and can only be justified by a disingenuous /semantic argument over the accepted meaning of the word ‘ woke’. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 2, 2022 13:13:53 GMT
Right wing? Seriously 😁 we must become a low tax, smartly regulated,high growth economy.' 'Our police need to focus on preventing crime and catching criminals, not woke nonsense.' I’d say centre I would have thought low tax was right wing? I would have thought public service provision was left wing? I would have thought that good provision of services whilst keeping spending reasonable is centrist. The austerity we had in the teenie and looks likely to return is right wing. I wonder where you would place Boris based on his tax and spend, next to Corbyn I suspect! |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 2, 2022 13:15:55 GMT
Right wing? Seriously 😁 we must become a low tax, smartly regulated,high growth economy.' 'Our police need to focus on preventing crime and catching criminals, not woke nonsense.' I’d say centre I would have thought low tax was right wing? I would have thought public service provision was left wing? I would have thought that good provision of services whilst keeping spending reasonable is centrist. The austerity we had in the teenie and looks likely to return is right wing. I wonder where you would place Boris based on his tax and spend, next to Corbyn I suspect! What tax and spend? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 2, 2022 13:18:00 GMT
Taxes have been raised because he spent a lot of money! 💰
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Post by Bentley on Nov 2, 2022 13:39:06 GMT
Right wing? Seriously 😁 we must become a low tax, smartly regulated,high growth economy.' 'Our police need to focus on preventing crime and catching criminals, not woke nonsense.' I’d say centre I would have thought low tax was right wing? I would have thought public service provision was left wing? I would have thought that good provision of services whilst keeping spending reasonable is centrist. The austerity we had in the teenie and looks likely to return is right wing. I wonder where you would place Boris based on his tax and spend, next to Corbyn I suspect! If low tax is by default right wing then left wing politics is by default high tax. I don’t believe either assumption is correct but I wouldn’t put too much much emphasis on it. As for imposed austerity , Cuba, Venezuela , USSR and Eastern Europe and Communist China come to mind. Hardly right wing . |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 2, 2022 13:43:13 GMT
Taxes have been raised because he spent a lot of money! 💰 This may come as a bit of a culture shock but NO governmant have any money apart from taxes. Granted it is not always spent wisely but never the less they only have taxation to form their own revenue. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 2, 2022 13:58:37 GMT
I have read extremist literature, I am aware of extremism in politics. If you are too dumb or too biased (too right-wing in this case) to recognise that extremism in politics exists, that would go a long way in explaining your posts. Reform UK is a right-wing party. But you have just said dont read what Reform are saying how do you know they are a right wing party?. Obviously you are relying on someone else to tell you that - I'm simply asking who that is? I referred to the fact that I avoid reading right-wing literature. (at 83 I have had a fill of it) Are you claiming that Reform UK is not a right-wing party ? |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 2, 2022 14:04:31 GMT
I think that is a bit blase and pandering to the excuses. Approximately 1 million Disarmed Enemy Troops died primarily in camps under US control where a policy of deprivation of the prisoners is easy to pinpoint from the stores' records and from the SHAEF orders as well as from testimony of many of the prisoners. These were not prison guards these were enemy soldiers often conscripted on pain of death and the remnants of a defeated nation. It shows how easy it is to kill 1 million people within a year if that is the intent or even if the intent is just a lack of care. The British refused to describe enemy troops as anything other than POWs and treated them accordingly. Sorry I thought you were refering to the POW's who had been taken in Grermany and were held there until they could be removed. I honestly didn't realise there were that many who met their deaths whilst in the USA. Now if that had of been in Russia it would been a different ball game. Most of these black deeds on either side are still trying to be covered up and denied. We all know how capable the US armed forces are of carrying out these atrocities take the My Lai massacre in Vietnam for example. I am not sure how many allied POW's on in the war against Germany met their deaths whilst being held. But I don't think it would be anywhere near a million. No it was the surrendering troops in Germany who were held in camps in Germany and, when in US run camps, were treated very badly arguably as a matter of policy by the high command. They defined these troops as Disarmed Enemy Forces and not as POWs. The British, and French I believe, always considered the prisoners in their camps as POWs with all the rights under the Geneva Convention with the relative accommodation, food parcels and inspections by the Red Cross. Not so for DEF camps. The point I was making was that Ike was by no means Mr Nice Guy. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 2, 2022 14:09:06 GMT
Sorry I thought you were refering to the POW's who had been taken in Grermany and were held there until they could be removed. I honestly didn't realise there were that many who met their deaths whilst in the USA. Now if that had of been in Russia it would been a different ball game. Most of these black deeds on either side are still trying to be covered up and denied. We all know how capable the US armed forces are of carrying out these atrocities take the My Lai massacre in Vietnam for example. I am not sure how many allied POW's on in the war against Germany met their deaths whilst being held. But I don't think it would be anywhere near a million. No it was the surrendering troops in Germany who were held in camps in Germany and, when in US run camps, were treated very badly arguably as a matter of policy by the high command. They defined these troops as Disarmed Enemy Forces and not as POWs. The British, and French I believe, always considered the prisoners in their camps as POWs with all the rights under the Geneva Convention with the relative accommodation, food parcels and inspections by the Red Cross. Not so for DEF camps. The point I was making was that Ike was by no means Mr Nice Guy.I agree he was far from it but he also had a bunch of petulant gererals to keep happy. That is not an excuse for his wrong doings just a point of the balancing act he had to perform and of course he also had his own president pulling him in one direction and Churchill to keep happy plus De Gaul etc and the Russians |
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Post by see2 on Nov 2, 2022 14:11:41 GMT
How on earth can anyone consider the reasonable and common sense objectives of Reform as "extreme"? and describing them as right wing isn't actually the insult that it it is intended to be. Unless you think that a massive and unsupportable public sector, uncontrolled immigration and living on massive borrowing is a good future for the citizens of the UK I can't see what any reasonable person might object to. 'Our police need to focus on preventing crime and catching criminals, not woke nonsense.' Anyone who feels that is an extreme sentiment needs to have a think about things. I agree about the nonsense, but I think it is probably woke to insinuate that woke is some sort of broad-brush explanation of things one disagrees with. Woke is not a political party, and no doubt that this area referred to as woke has people from different parties involved. It is experiences with the right-wing which is the problem, ditto left wing. If we suddenly get a moderate, rational, thinking government, it simply cannot be a right-wing government despite what they may preach in their literature. Lepard's can't change their spots. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 2, 2022 14:28:24 GMT
There is no need for you to prove just how wrong you can get it ^^ but if you insist on doing it then that's just fine with me  Dont understand your post . How wrong i can get what? im neither a brexiter or anglo remainer .
My point is democracy is a fairly easy concept to understand , especially in the so called civilised world. If you cant or wont understand how it works , and insist on throwing rattle out of prams when losing and re running votes before they are implemented , then that isnt my fault.
The rest of us know right from wrong.
No, your point was that I am upset by Brexit and I don't like losing. Hence my reply. Many Many years ago I understood that if something happened that I disagreed with I should do something about it, if there was nothing I could do about it then I should just accept it and get on with my life. That's what I have done with Brexit, partly because I still don't know whether Brexit was right or wrong for the UK. Only time will tell. Mind you that doesn't stop me from having an occasional dig at those who voted for Brexit. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 2, 2022 14:33:52 GMT
I have read extremist literature, I am aware of extremism in politics. If you are too dumb or too biased (too right-wing in this case) to recognise that extremism in politics exists, that would go a long way in explaining your posts. Reform UK is a right-wing party. But you have just said dont read what Reform are saying how do you know they are a right wing party?. Obviously you are relying on someone else to tell you that - I'm simply asking who that is? Instead of being deliberately obtuse with your stubborn attempt to defend right-wing nonsense, why not just Google it ? |
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