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Post by sandypine on Nov 1, 2022 23:05:36 GMT
no its a question. If you dont read what organisations say how do you know they are extremist? - does some bloke down the pub tell you?. Or perhaps its Owen Jones or Polly Toynbee in the Guardian? I have read extremist literature, I am aware of extremism in politics. If you are too dumb or too biased (too right-wing in this case) to recognise that extremism in politics exists, that would go a long way in explaining your posts. I suppose the question is how do you define extremism in the first instance so you can recognise extremist literature without reading it. One can only assume you take a view on an organisation or a source, after reading some of their output, and then reject anything from those sources as extremist. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 1, 2022 23:10:01 GMT
It was Nick Griffin and it was the BNP and he chose his words badly by calling it the holohoax in the first instance and belittled the actual process. He possibly had pertinent questions but lost the battle immediately with poor strategy and it was his strategy that his opponents concentrated on and won. Exactly. I couldn't even remember his name, but when you have these occasions when words and deeds are taken out of context who are extreemists those who state the words or do the deeds or those who take them out of context? I have to say extremists are those who refuse to engage with some others because they call them extremists. The BNP are a classic case of the concerned left saying we will not listen and we will not allow you to hear and we will do all we can through misinformation and lying to ensure you shall not hear. I regard that as an extremist position. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 1, 2022 23:12:34 GMT
Exactly. I couldn't even remember his name, but when you have these occasions when words and deeds are taken out of context who are extreemists those who state the words or do the deeds or those who take them out of context? I have to say extremists are those who refuse to engage with some others because they call them extremists. The BNP are a classic case of the concerned left saying we will not listen and we will not allow you to hear and we will do all we can through misinformation and lying to ensure you shall not hear. I regard that as an extremist position. My thoughts exactly. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 1, 2022 23:15:23 GMT
I have read extremist literature, I am aware of extremism in politics. If you are too dumb or too biased (too right-wing in this case) to recognise that extremism in politics exists, that would go a long way in explaining your posts. I suppose the question is how do you define extremism in the first instance so you can recognise extremist literature without reading it. One can only assume you take a view on an organisation or a source, after reading some of their output, and then reject anything from those sources as extremist. If I suggested that there is extremism on the left of politics, would you recognise that ? |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 1, 2022 23:21:28 GMT
Left extremism. Biological males can be women if they feel like it. Racial hatred of white people. Importing radical ideas from the US.
Identity politics in general. Obtuseness regarding the danger of uncontrolled immigration . That’s for starters .
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Post by Steve on Nov 1, 2022 23:43:49 GMT
I can remember when the leader of the BMP which I had no time for was accused of not beleiving in the holocuast, when in fact he stated that he could not beleive the numbers of deaths and if you do the maths in how many were murdered by the nazi's in such a short period of time the figures are truly amazing and beyond comprehension and if you break it down even further to a daily figure it is hard to cmprehend how many of those poor people were murdered each day. So who are the exteemists? The ones who took his words out of context or the leader of the BMP over his subject? It was Nick Griffin and it was the BNP and he chose his words badly by calling it the holohoax in the first instance and belittled the actual process. He possibly had pertinent questions but lost the battle immediately with poor strategy and it was his strategy that his opponents concentrated on and won. He also said this: "I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also also once held that the Earth was flat... I have reached the conclusion that the "extermination" tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria."Far worse than just not believing the numbers |
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Post by colbops on Nov 1, 2022 23:51:42 GMT
It was Nick Griffin and it was the BNP and he chose his words badly by calling it the holohoax in the first instance and belittled the actual process. He possibly had pertinent questions but lost the battle immediately with poor strategy and it was his strategy that his opponents concentrated on and won. He also said this: "I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also also once held that the Earth was flat... I have reached the conclusion that the "extermination" tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria."Far worse than just not believing the numbers That is just a really long winded way of saying he doesn't believe the numbers though isn't it. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 1, 2022 23:52:56 GMT
It was Nick Griffin and it was the BNP and he chose his words badly by calling it the holohoax in the first instance and belittled the actual process. He possibly had pertinent questions but lost the battle immediately with poor strategy and it was his strategy that his opponents concentrated on and won. He also said this: "I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also also once held that the Earth was flat... I have reached the conclusion that the "extermination" tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria."Far worse than just not believing the numbers This is precisely why Ike called in the hoolywood film makers and producers to record and document everything they could of the death camps and the horrors they contained....Ike stated that some time in the future there are going to be generations and arseholes out there that will do their level best to deny this ever happened......How right he was. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 1, 2022 23:53:33 GMT
He also said this: "I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also also once held that the Earth was flat... I have reached the conclusion that the "extermination" tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria."Far worse than just not believing the numbers That is just a really long winded way of saying he doesn't believe the numbers though isn't it. No because it implies it was all a hoax. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 2, 2022 8:17:03 GMT
no its a question. If you dont read what organisations say how do you know they are extremist? - does some bloke down the pub tell you?. Or perhaps its Owen Jones or Polly Toynbee in the Guardian? I am aware of extremism in politics. If you are too dumb or too biased (too right-wing in this case) to recognise that extremism in politics exists, that would go a long way in explaining your posts. Reform UK is a right-wing party.But you have just said dont read what Reform are saying how do you know they are a right wing party?. Obviously you are relying on someone else to tell you that - I'm simply asking who that is? |
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Post by thomas on Nov 2, 2022 8:25:49 GMT
im crushed.
you are upset about brexit. I see that. You dont like losing. such is life see2.
There is no need for you to prove just how wrong you can get it ^^ but if you insist on doing it then that's just fine with me  Dont understand your post . How wrong i can get what? im neither a brexiter or anglo remainer .
My point is democracy is a fairly easy concept to understand , especially in the so called civilised world. If you cant or wont understand how it works , and insist on throwing rattle out of prams when losing and re running votes before they are implemented , then that isnt my fault.
The rest of us know right from wrong.
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Post by sandypine on Nov 2, 2022 9:54:12 GMT
He also said this: "I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also also once held that the Earth was flat... I have reached the conclusion that the "extermination" tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria."Far worse than just not believing the numbers This is precisely why Ike called in the hoolywood film makers and producers to record and document everything they could of the death camps and the horrors they contained....Ike stated that some time in the future there are going to be generations and arseholes out there that will do their level best to deny this ever happened......How right he was. I think Ike was the one who arranged camps for surrendering German troops that were effectively worse than the concentration camps with little shelter and poor conditions with some allied troops behaving like those we were supposed to be better than. He was right there will always be those who deny things but then the whole point is to arrive at a point of righteousness with clean hands. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 2, 2022 10:00:50 GMT
I have read extremist literature, I am aware of extremism in politics. If you are too dumb or too biased (too right-wing in this case) to recognise that extremism in politics exists, that would go a long way in explaining your posts. Reform UK is a right-wing party. But you have just said dont read what Reform are saying how do you know they are a right wing party?. Obviously you are relying on someone else to tell you that - I'm simply asking who that is? But you know full well they are right wing as a look at their policies shows d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/reformuk/pages/124/attachments/original/1643748151/Reform-is-Essential.pdf' we must become a low tax, smartly regulated,high growth economy.' 'Our police need to focus on preventing crime and catching criminals, not woke nonsense.' and it goes on |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 2, 2022 10:11:02 GMT
This is precisely why Ike called in the hoolywood film makers and producers to record and document everything they could of the death camps and the horrors they contained....Ike stated that some time in the future there are going to be generations and arseholes out there that will do their level best to deny this ever happened......How right he was. I think Ike was the one who arranged camps for surrendering German troops that were effectively worse than the concentration camps with little shelter and poor conditions with some allied troops behaving like those we were supposed to be better than. He was right there will always be those who deny things but then the whole point is to arrive at a point of righteousness with clean hands. Thats is so true my friend. But I don't think even the allies imagined how many POW's they would have to handle. There were of course atrocities on both sides but then again we don't know if they were revenge killing for a buddy they had lost or for personal revenge. It's well documented in the Smithsonian Institution that ol blood and guts paton was furious when he was first shown the death camps and took out his pistol and shot several of the German guards and told his men I have started it so you finish it which many carried out with relish. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 2, 2022 11:05:32 GMT
I think Ike was the one who arranged camps for surrendering German troops that were effectively worse than the concentration camps with little shelter and poor conditions with some allied troops behaving like those we were supposed to be better than. He was right there will always be those who deny things but then the whole point is to arrive at a point of righteousness with clean hands. Thats is so true my friend. But I don't think even the allies imagined how many POW's they would have to handle. There were of course atrocities on both sides but then again we don't know if they were revenge killing for a buddy they had lost or for personal revenge. It's well documented in the Smithsonian Institution that ol blood and guts paton was furious when he was first shown the death camps and took out his pistol and shot several of the German guards and told his men I have started it so you finish it which many carried out with relish. I think that is a bit blase and pandering to the excuses. Approximately 1 million Disarmed Enemy Troops died primarily in camps under US control where a policy of deprivation of the prisoners is easy to pinpoint from the stores' records and from the SHAEF orders as well as from testimony of many of the prisoners. These were not prison guards these were enemy soldiers often conscripted on pain of death and the remnants of a defeated nation. It shows how easy it is to kill 1 million people within a year if that is the intent or even if the intent is just a lack of care. The British refused to describe enemy troops as anything other than POWs and treated them accordingly. |
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