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Post by zanygame on Oct 23, 2022 7:29:21 GMT
So are the public never allowed to change their minds? You have to accept the result first. Doesn't seem like you have. That's not democracy. The public are of course allowed to change their minds but they've also made their beds and democracy has spoken. Allegedly changing their minds every time the wind blows is childish. If the public are, as you say still determined to "rejoin" the EU in something like 40 years time - about the same amount of time the UK was in the EU then I'd say crack on. But all this current economic turmoil has nothing to do with Brexit, yet for people who never accepted the result (anti-democrats), see it as the perfect opportunity to overturn democracy. This act and behaviour doesn't fool everyone. That's crazy. Of course I accepted the result, I had no choice. What you are asking is for me to like the result and not campaign against it. So if Corbyn had got elected should you accept the result and not campaign for change as soon as possible, even if you felt he was doing untold damage to the country? |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 23, 2022 7:34:46 GMT
Why must you keep cheating? Why are your convictions so weak? At general elections there are a million conflicting interests that direct peoples voting. That this is all you have to argue with saddens me. How do you think we got a referendum in the first place? - it wasn't by people crying in their beer and wailing that life is not fair. They got of their arse and voted for what they wanted - and when enough of them voted for it their wish was granted. But this is us remainers asking for a second referendum. And you arguing we should shut up. At the moment the government if deaf, even a petition that reached critical mass was dismissed. Its not the right time now, there's too much else going on. All we're doing at the moment is informing people on what Brexit has not achieved, to build more support. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 7:39:54 GMT
How do you think we got a referendum in the first place? - it wasn't by people crying in their beer and wailing that life is not fair. They got of their arse and voted for what they wanted - and when enough of them voted for it their wish was granted. Its not the right time now, there's too much else going on. its not the right time? You claimed earlier in the thread support for rejoin has been in the majority since 2017. If now isnt the time to rejoin , then when is?
Your great fear , and centrists like you including your hero starmer , is that brexiters get wind of your duplicity and come out in force again at the next election to give you yet another whipping.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 23, 2022 7:45:32 GMT
What you keep missing is that the people have changed their minds. In 2016 people wanted Brexit. From 2017 onwards they didn't. I have to say , you dont half talk some fucking bollocks at times on this forum.
I voted remain in 2016 , and would do so again . The fact remains , though , that from 2015 onwards , brexiters backed a party that offered a brexit referendum , then went on to win a referendum and 5 elections . How you can say that from 2017 onwards the uk didnt want brexit is beyond me. We had keir starmer devise labours disasterous remain policy of 2019 ,then run away blaming it all on corbyn , while dizzie jo swinson was that convinced of the silent remain majority , she was talking about being a potential pm in wating ti ll the snp took her seat and the east dunbartonshire electorate kicked this carpetbagger out on her arse
Are we really going to go back over recent political history again and again as you try and rewrite events to suit your current narrative?
I have been hearing people have changed their minds since the aftermath of june 2016 , and when push comes to shove , these mythical remainers never seem to appear at the ballot box to win elections in England .
Apart from the never ending delusion of anglo remainers like yourself , what remain in england is reduced to is the lies of an out and out europhile like keir starmer denying he will take the uk back into the eu if elected , while everyone knows thats exactly what he will do behind the bike sheds.
Today , here and now in 2022 , there may very well be a remain majority. I dont know , and neither do you. They will have to go out for the first time in over 6 years and show it though at the ballot box. So far , despite your empty claims , they have been invisible.
Before you accuse me of talking FB, you might want to look at your own facts. We haven't had 5 elections. Kier Starmer was not the Labour party leader in 2019. The very reason I voted Tory, even though it meant accepting Brexit. But I have already addressed these points in my posts very recently, which you clearly haven't read. So I'll dismiss your views of me if you don't mind.  |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 7:47:24 GMT
You have to accept the result first. Doesn't seem like you have. That's not democracy. The public are of course allowed to change their minds but they've also made their beds and democracy has spoken. Allegedly changing their minds every time the wind blows is childish. If the public are, as you say still determined to "rejoin" the EU in something like 40 years time - about the same amount of time the UK was in the EU then I'd say crack on. But all this current economic turmoil has nothing to do with Brexit, yet for people who never accepted the result (anti-democrats), see it as the perfect opportunity to overturn democracy. This act and behaviour doesn't fool everyone. So if Corbyn had got elected should you accept the result and not campaign for change as soon as possible, even if you felt he was doing untold damage to the country? I didnt like corbyn , but i liked him more than i like blairites like starmer , but i find this hypothetical untold damage to "the country " statement of yours unbelievable after what we have witnessed in recent years.
Its centrists like you and the party you vote for who have caused untold damage to this country over the past two decades or so. Practically most problems afflicting society today can be traced back to centrist muppets like tony blair and his accolytes and worshippers.
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 7:49:10 GMT
I have to say , you dont half talk some fucking bollocks at times on this forum.
I voted remain in 2016 , and would do so again . The fact remains , though , that from 2015 onwards , brexiters backed a party that offered a brexit referendum , then went on to win a referendum and 5 elections . How you can say that from 2017 onwards the uk didnt want brexit is beyond me. We had keir starmer devise labours disasterous remain policy of 2019 ,then run away blaming it all on corbyn , while dizzie jo swinson was that convinced of the silent remain majority , she was talking about being a potential pm in wating ti ll the snp took her seat and the east dunbartonshire electorate kicked this carpetbagger out on her arse
Are we really going to go back over recent political history again and again as you try and rewrite events to suit your current narrative?
I have been hearing people have changed their minds since the aftermath of june 2016 , and when push comes to shove , these mythical remainers never seem to appear at the ballot box to win elections in England .
Apart from the never ending delusion of anglo remainers like yourself , what remain in england is reduced to is the lies of an out and out europhile like keir starmer denying he will take the uk back into the eu if elected , while everyone knows thats exactly what he will do behind the bike sheds.
Today , here and now in 2022 , there may very well be a remain majority. I dont know , and neither do you. They will have to go out for the first time in over 6 years and show it though at the ballot box. So far , despite your empty claims , they have been invisible.
Before you accuse me of talking FB, you might want to look at your own facts. We haven't had 5 elections. Kier Starmer was not the Labour party leader in 2019. The very reason I voted Tory, even though it meant accepting Brexit. But I have already addressed these points in my posts very recently, which you clearly haven't read. So I'll dismiss your views of me if you don't mind. You are talking bollocks. You claimed remain have had a majority since 2017 , and despite there having been two general elections and a european election in that time , all of which brexiters won , you are now reduced to posting pictures of graphs ?You do realise voting at the ballot box not opinion polls are what is needed to rejoin? |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 23, 2022 7:49:49 GMT
Its not the right time now, there's too much else going on. its not the right time? You claimed earlier in the thread support for rejoin has been in the majority since 2017. If now isnt the time to rejoin , then when is?
Your great fear , and centrists like you including your hero starmer , is that brexiters get wind of your duplicity and come out in force again at the next election to give you yet another whipping.
Have you forgotten all that's happened between then and now? Firstly we didn't even know what Brexit would be until 2019 (Still don't really now) Then we had a plague (remember) Then a war and cost of living crises. So its on the back burner but support for re-joining grows steadily and is way beyond statistical chance now. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 7:53:21 GMT
its not the right time? You claimed earlier in the thread support for rejoin has been in the majority since 2017. If now isnt the time to rejoin , then when is?
Your great fear , and centrists like you including your hero starmer , is that brexiters get wind of your duplicity and come out in force again at the next election to give you yet another whipping.
Have you forgotten all that's happened between then and now? Firstly we didn't even know what Brexit would be until 2019 (Still don't really now) Then we had a plague (remember) Then a war and cost of living crises. So its on the back burner but support for re-joining grows steadily and is way beyond statistical chance now. I havent laughed so hard since anglo remainers told us they were going to win the 2019 general election.
If the stars havent aligned for you to rejoin by now after the shitshow of the last 6 years , then they never will mate.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 23, 2022 7:56:20 GMT
Have you forgotten all that's happened between then and now? Firstly we didn't even know what Brexit would be until 2019 (Still don't really now) Then we had a plague (remember) Then a war and cost of living crises. So its on the back burner but support for re-joining grows steadily and is way beyond statistical chance now. I havent laughed so hard since anglo remainers told us they were going to win the 2019 general election.
If the stars havent aligned for you to rejoin by now after the shitshow of the last 6 years , then they never will mate.
Laugh hard and long and enjoy the show, its coming to an end. Just look at the party Boris told you was going to make Brexit work. Now that is the real laugh. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 7:58:38 GMT
Lets just recap what brexiters have won over the last 6 years for my delusional friend zany and his mythical silent remain majority graphs.
2015 general election , brexiters win by backing cameron to hold a brexit ref. Labour may i remind you opposed democracy.
2016 brexit referendum , brextiters win.
2017 general election ,both main parties promise to back brexit and brexiters win again.
2019 european elections , brexiters win majority depsite bbc portraying it as a remain win much to everyones amusement.
2019 general election....brexiters win.
all the while centrists like zany tell us there is a remain majority........
FFS!
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 7:59:58 GMT
I havent laughed so hard since anglo remainers told us they were going to win the 2019 general election.
If the stars havent aligned for you to rejoin by now after the shitshow of the last 6 years , then they never will mate.
Laugh hard and long and enjoy the show, its coming to an end. Just look at the party Boris told you was going to make Brexit work. Now that is the real laugh. Im not a brexiter. Dont tell me mate. What im adressing in this thread is your utter bullshit and wishfull thinking. You have to go out and vote mate for change , not sit posting mythical graphs on interwebby forums. |
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 23, 2022 8:03:47 GMT
You have to accept the result first. Doesn't seem like you have. That's not democracy. The public are of course allowed to change their minds but they've also made their beds and democracy has spoken. Allegedly changing their minds every time the wind blows is childish. If the public are, as you say still determined to "rejoin" the EU in something like 40 years time - about the same amount of time the UK was in the EU then I'd say crack on. But all this current economic turmoil has nothing to do with Brexit, yet for people who never accepted the result (anti-democrats), see it as the perfect opportunity to overturn democracy. This act and behaviour doesn't fool everyone. That's crazy. Of course I accepted the result, I had no choice. What you are asking is for me to like the result and not campaign against it. So if Corbyn had got elected should you accept the result and not campaign for change as soon as possible, even if you felt he was doing untold damage to the country? I would vote for a party to democratically remove him. Sorry, the only crazy here seems to be you. You voted for Conservatives on a Brexit ticket to get shot of Corbyn, and now want to overthrow their mandate because you don't agree with their democratically elected mandate for Brexit. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 8:04:31 GMT
I havent laughed so hard since anglo remainers told us they were going to win the 2019 general election.
If the stars havent aligned for you to rejoin by now after the shitshow of the last 6 years , then they never will mate.
Laugh hard and long and enjoy the show, its coming to an end. You have been stabbing your own countrymen in the back since 2016 whem democracy didnt go your own way and you threw a tantrum. Anyone with any sense could see petulant remainers in england were intent on denying demcoracy , and were creating a martyr of brexit.
Now you are sitting drooling over the tories demise and rejoining under a liar like starmer. All i would say is carefull what you wish for. If labour true to form take the uk , or england back into the Eu under false pretences by lieing to the english electorate as they are wont to do , then all hell is going to break loose. Mark my words. the labour scum have form for this duplicity.
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 8:05:57 GMT
That's crazy. Of course I accepted the result, I had no choice. What you are asking is for me to like the result and not campaign against it. So if Corbyn had got elected should you accept the result and not campaign for change as soon as possible, even if you felt he was doing untold damage to the country? I would vote for a party to democratically remove him. Sorry, the only crazy here seems to be you. You voted for Conservatives on a Brexit ticket to get shot of Corbyn, and now want to overthrow their mandate because you don't agree with their democratically elected mandate for Brexit. Thanks for that post. I know its early on a sunday morning , perhaps zany has a hangover , but i couldnt believe it when i read that utter crap. How mental must anyone be to write such guff?
one fucked up individual.
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 23, 2022 8:19:00 GMT
its not the right time? You claimed earlier in the thread support for rejoin has been in the majority since 2017. If now isnt the time to rejoin , then when is?
Your great fear , and centrists like you including your hero starmer , is that brexiters get wind of your duplicity and come out in force again at the next election to give you yet another whipping.
Have you forgotten all that's happened between then and now? Firstly we didn't even know what Brexit would be until 2019 (Still don't really now) Then we had a plague (remember)
Then a war and cost of living crises. So its on the back burner but support for re-joining grows steadily and is way beyond statistical chance now. And that is what remainers are using as a reason to overthrow Brexit. Anti-democratic liars. |
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