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Post by jonksy on Oct 20, 2022 13:04:05 GMT
I've still not seen anything EU listed that's affected my day-to-day life. At the moment, it's home-grown do-gooder council setting up low traffic neighbourhoods, installing cycle lanes by narrowing roads, setting up resident parking schemes and restricting parking space, and so on, that's costing me money and causing longer car journeys, etc, that's really aggravating... Just one example would be river dredging. That is an EU competence whereby regulations controlled river dredging and spoil disposal. That affects everyone and the fact farmers received EU grants to grub up hedgerows and make their fields more like prairies speeding up run off and increasing soil erosion. It has been devasting for our wildlife. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 20, 2022 13:35:18 GMT
Just one example would be river dredging. That is an EU competence whereby regulations controlled river dredging and spoil disposal. That affects everyone and the fact farmers received EU grants to grub up hedgerows and make their fields more like prairies speeding up run off and increasing soil erosion. It has been devasting for our wildlife. Indeed they destroyed the countryside and then wished to rewild it with their own programmes. It just goes to show that Bureaucracies have no idea how to deal with real life and real people and the heritage of any country. |
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Post by Toreador on Oct 20, 2022 13:45:04 GMT
Same old remainer bullshit we have all heard a thousand times before. Your side lost so get over it.
It doesn't matter how many times Brexit ultras who don't even know how the EU works demand the impossible; they will never get it. Same for Remain extremists who adored Jo Swinson and think the Remain campaign was conducted perfectly and ignore absolutely 100% all evidence to the contrary. 
That is what he said and what he meant was he would continue to campaign to get out of the EU. His reference to another referendum was just that, a reference of what might happen in the event we remained. Fortunately it wasn't necessary. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 20, 2022 13:46:12 GMT
It has been devasting for our wildlife. Indeed they destroyed the countryside and then wished to rewild it with their own programmes. It just goes to show that Bureaucracies have no idea how to deal with real life and real people and the heritage of any country. Exactly. |
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Post by Toreador on Oct 20, 2022 13:46:59 GMT
That is the problem for me — I cannot recall any EU-imposed directives or legislation that have adversely affected me or mine. Even things the UK chose to do to fall in line haven’t caused hardship or difficulty… The direction of travel was abundantly clear and it's still clear. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 20, 2022 17:06:51 GMT
You really think its that simple? How would they know what the public appetite is? That is exactly what all political parties do every election - put forward policies that they believe the public want and will vote for. If there is overwhelming support for another referendum then those parties advocating another referendum will do well. How do they know what the public want? |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 20, 2022 17:13:24 GMT
Just one example would be river dredging. That is an EU competence whereby regulations controlled river dredging and spoil disposal. That affects everyone and the fact farmers received EU grants to grub up hedgerows and make their fields more like prairies speeding up run off and increasing soil erosion. It has been devasting for our wildlife. Not sure what grants the EU gave that made us grub up our hedgerows, but it didn't happen anywhere else in the EU. I do know the rules on river dredging which simply stopped you dumping broken bikes and beer bottles along the river bank when you dredged. Mud could happily be spread across fields as fertiliser. More inferred crap about the EU that has long been disproven. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 20, 2022 17:14:51 GMT
That is exactly what all political parties do every election - put forward policies that they believe the public want and will vote for. If there is overwhelming support for another referendum then those parties advocating another referendum will do well. How do they know what the public want? They talk and listen to their supporters - and then hope that there is wider support. The LibDems have already said they will rejoin the EU - they must have an idea that is a vote winner. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 20, 2022 17:18:57 GMT
How do they know what the public want? They talk and listen to their supporters - and then hope that there is wider support. The LibDems have already said they will rejoin the EU - they must have an idea that is a vote winner. It worked well for them the last time LOL. Did their leader even get her deposit back? |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 20, 2022 17:19:44 GMT
How do they know what the public want? They talk and listen to their supporters - and then hope that there is wider support. The LibDems have already said they will rejoin the EU - they must have an idea that is a vote winner. And look at the polls. But in any case most parties look at what their supporters want, not what the people want. Every poll since about 1960 shows the majority of people want higher taxes and higher spending. I don't see the Tories proffering that. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 20, 2022 17:28:58 GMT
They talk and listen to their supporters - and then hope that there is wider support. The LibDems have already said they will rejoin the EU - they must have an idea that is a vote winner. And look at the polls. But in any case most parties look at what their supporters want, not what the people want. Every poll since about 1960 shows the majority of people want higher taxes and higher spending. I don't see the Tories proffering that. They might tell the pollsters that - unfortunately they will not vote for that.. |
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Post by Orac on Oct 20, 2022 17:32:06 GMT
I wouldn't pay much attention to polls in that arena- answers differ radically depending on how the question is asked
A Would you like free x?
B Would you like to contribute to free x?
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Post by zanygame on Oct 20, 2022 18:21:18 GMT
And look at the polls. But in any case most parties look at what their supporters want, not what the people want. Every poll since about 1960 shows the majority of people want higher taxes and higher spending. I don't see the Tories proffering that. They might tell the pollsters that - unfortunately they will not vote for that.. You don't know that, you only know you wouldn't. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 20, 2022 18:23:39 GMT
I wouldn't pay much attention to polls in that arena- answers differ radically depending on how the question is asked A Would you like free x? B Would you like to contribute to free x? You assume those asking the questions do not want truthful answers, you are wrong in that. Their future work depends on them getting accurate answers. |
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Post by Orac on Oct 20, 2022 18:30:08 GMT
You assume those asking the questions do not want truthful answers, you are wrong in that. Their future work depends on them getting accurate answers. oh please |
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