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Post by patman post on Apr 11, 2024 14:09:32 GMT
The EU is the largest trading bloc in the world with 27 member countries. It promotes the free movement of goods, services, capital, and people within its borders, creating a single market of over 446 million consumers. Can you name another trading entity of similar wealth and size?
Brexiteers reclaimed leaving the EU would return to the UK control of the UK's borders. This isn't happening — so it's another broken commitment along with cheaper food and a better health service...
. Like fuck we did...So much for the EUSSR being our friends... **That's certainly one of the arguments made as to why people should vote Leave.
The claim that the UK would close its borders to unwanted immigrants after leaving the EU, was male bovine effluent — like so many other Leave claims. The inability to stop immigration is just one more example of the uselessness of the current Brexit administration... |
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Post by patman post on Apr 11, 2024 14:13:02 GMT
The EU is the largest trading bloc in the world with 27 member countries. It promotes the free movement of goods, services, capital, and people within its borders, creating a single market of over 446 million consumers. Can you name another trading entity of similar wealth and size?
Brexiteers reclaimed leaving the EU would return to the UK control of the UK's borders. This isn't happening — so it's another broken commitment along with cheaper food and a better health service...
Total BOLLOCKS the EUSSR aremot the biggest trading bloc. Biggest bunch of wankers would be more honest. Seems it takes one to know one... |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 11, 2024 14:28:01 GMT
Total BOLLOCKS the EUSSR aremot the biggest trading bloc. Biggest bunch of wankers would be more honest. Seems it takes one to know one... Well you would know as the biggest wankers are remainers......You lot soon get shitty when your beloved EUSSR are shown up for the total wankers that they are.. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 11, 2024 15:18:26 GMT
Pacifico : To complete the story, you need to define how you are measuring GDP: nominal or PPP. And also what exchange rate is in play. Over the 15 year period you have chosen, the USD-EUR exchange has fluctuated by over 40% so your choice of start and end points will have a big impact on how your story pans out.
And, as I'm sure you're aware GDP is not the be-all and end-all of metrics for defining wealth and well-being.
Well you can take any starting point, but the fact remains that EU growth is slower than US. If you dont want to use GDP as a measure then what would you use to compare economic performance?  |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 11, 2024 15:36:46 GMT
Yet another Brexit plus that will cause remainers tears.. Brexit Britain's exports SURGE in trade boom since leaving the EUSSR with UK now world's fourth largest exporter.... Brexit Britain has shot up to the fourth largest exporter in the world, despite warnings that international trade would drop off after leaving the EU. New figures show that Britain has moved from its previous ranking of seventh in 2021 to fourth in 2022. The United Nations data reveals that the UK has overtaken Japan, France and the Netherlands on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) for goods and services exports. Business Secretary Kemi Badenoch praised the rise in British trade, saying: "These new figures show how the UK is punching above its weight on trade, and is on track to reach our ambition of exporting a trillion pounds of goods and services a year by 2030.
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Post by patman post on Apr 11, 2024 16:04:33 GMT
Yet another Brexit plus that will cause remainers tears.. Brexit Britain's exports SURGE in trade boom since leaving the EUSSR with UK now world's fourth largest exporter.... Brexit Britain has shot up to the fourth largest exporter in the world, despite warnings that international trade would drop off after leaving the EU. New figures show that Britain has moved from its previous ranking of seventh in 2021 to fourth in 2022. The United Nations data reveals that the UK has overtaken Japan, France and the Netherlands on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) for goods and services exports. Business Secretary Kemi Badenoch praised the rise in British trade, saying: "These new figures show how the UK is punching above its weight on trade, and is on track to reach our ambition of exporting a trillion pounds of goods and services a year by 2030.
Your figures are for 2022. We're now in the second quarter of 2024, and the services sector that's pulled the UK's Brexit's chestnuts out of the fire is losing financial impetus as firms delist from London.
As City A.M. reports: The London Stock Exchange is set to lose as many as 30 £100m-plus firms from public markets this year, a figure bringing into sharp relief the troubles on London’s public equity markets.
Thirteen firms have announced a takeover this year and already completed the transaction.
And some seventeen more takeovers or delistings have been announced and are awaiting completion.
A host of small-caps under the £100m threshold have also either gone private, gone bust or announced plans to delist.
All your optimism would be credible if only I hadn't visited France four times since Christmas and been shopping in supermarkets there. The choices are stunning compared to UK supermarket offerings, and prices often seem lower.
So, despite your facts and figures, I'm not feeling any better off and experiencing lower energy, council tax and food bills...
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Post by Dan Dare on Apr 11, 2024 16:13:04 GMT
Well you can take any starting point, but the fact remains that EU growth is slower than US. If you dont want to use GDP as a measure then what would you use to compare economic performance? Well, GDP is a reasonably good measure of the overall size of an economy but it doesn't really tell you how productive that economy is or how wealthy (or happy) its citizens are. If size of GDP is the sole criterion then economic activity and with it population should be be maximised to the extent possible. A GDP-max scenario would require, for example, an open-borders policy such that no limits are placed on the size of the population even if many of them are non-productive and have to be sustained by the state.
GDP/capita would be an improvement, but even that doesn't really give the full picture.
Rather than strictly economic metrics other parameters should be included in the mix, such as: life expectancy, infant mortality, healthcare delivery, human development including education and literacy, cultural assets, environmental protection, energy conservation, civic engagement, biodiversity, sustainable agriculture and natural assets.
I'd contend that the EU is better positioned in most of these metrics than the USA.
Btw. According to the IMF, the 2024 outlook for GDP in the EU at PPP is $25 trillion compared to $27 trillion for the US. So there's not as much in it as you claimed earlier.
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Post by jonksy on Apr 11, 2024 16:31:22 GMT
Yet another Brexit plus that will cause remainers tears.. Brexit Britain's exports SURGE in trade boom since leaving the EUSSR with UK now world's fourth largest exporter.... Brexit Britain has shot up to the fourth largest exporter in the world, despite warnings that international trade would drop off after leaving the EU. New figures show that Britain has moved from its previous ranking of seventh in 2021 to fourth in 2022. The United Nations data reveals that the UK has overtaken Japan, France and the Netherlands on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) for goods and services exports. Business Secretary Kemi Badenoch praised the rise in British trade, saying: "These new figures show how the UK is punching above its weight on trade, and is on track to reach our ambition of exporting a trillion pounds of goods and services a year by 2030.
Your figures are for 2022. We're now in the second quarter of 2024, and the services sector that's pulled the UK's Brexit's chestnuts out of the fire is losing financial impetus as firms delist from London.
As City A.M. reports: The London Stock Exchange is set to lose as many as 30 £100m-plus firms from public markets this year, a figure bringing into sharp relief the troubles on London’s public equity markets.
Thirteen firms have announced a takeover this year and already completed the transaction.
And some seventeen more takeovers or delistings have been announced and are awaiting completion.
A host of small-caps under the £100m threshold have also either gone private, gone bust or announced plans to delist.
All your optimism would be credible if only I hadn't visited France four times since Christmas and been shopping in supermarkets there. The choices are stunning compared to UK supermarket offerings, and prices often seem lower.
So, despite your facts and figures, I'm not feeling any better off and experiencing lower energy, council tax and food bills...
More usual remainers BOLLOCKS...You just hate to see your own country doing well don't you Pat?.....Never mind one day your tears will stop flowing.... |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 11, 2024 16:33:11 GMT
Yet another Brexit plus that will cause remainers tears.. Brexit Britain's exports SURGE in trade boom since leaving the EUSSR with UK now world's fourth largest exporter.... Brexit Britain has shot up to the fourth largest exporter in the world, despite warnings that international trade would drop off after leaving the EU. New figures show that Britain has moved from its previous ranking of seventh in 2021 to fourth in 2022. The United Nations data reveals that the UK has overtaken Japan, France and the Netherlands on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) for goods and services exports. Business Secretary Kemi Badenoch praised the rise in British trade, saying: "These new figures show how the UK is punching above its weight on trade, and is on track to reach our ambition of exporting a trillion pounds of goods and services a year by 2030.
Your figures are for 2022. We're now in the second quarter of 2024, and the services sector that's pulled the UK's Brexit's chestnuts out of the fire is losing financial impetus as firms delist from London.
As City A.M. reports: The London Stock Exchange is set to lose as many as 30 £100m-plus firms from public markets this year, a figure bringing into sharp relief the troubles on London’s public equity markets.
Thirteen firms have announced a takeover this year and already completed the transaction.
And some seventeen more takeovers or delistings have been announced and are awaiting completion.
A host of small-caps under the £100m threshold have also either gone private, gone bust or announced plans to delist.
All your optimism would be credible if only I hadn't visited France four times since Christmas and been shopping in supermarkets there. The choices are stunning compared to UK supermarket offerings, and prices often seem lower.
So, despite your facts and figures, I'm not feeling any better off and experiencing lower energy, council tax and food bills...
Half the fucking shelves were empty the last I went to that shithole...LOL And there were no shellfish on offer either unlike here.... |
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Post by Dan Dare on Apr 11, 2024 16:40:36 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 11, 2024 18:53:31 GMT
It makes me wonder just how arrogant you have to be to look down your nose at people who don't eat sea bugs snails and frogs. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 11, 2024 21:20:42 GMT
Well you can take any starting point, but the fact remains that EU growth is slower than US. If you dont want to use GDP as a measure then what would you use to compare economic performance? Well, GDP is a reasonably good measure of the overall size of an economy but it doesn't really tell you how productive that economy is or how wealthy (or happy) its citizens are. If size of GDP is the sole criterion then economic activity and with it population should be be maximised to the extent possible. A GDP-max scenario would require, for example, an open-borders policy such that no limits are placed on the size of the population even if many of them are non-productive and have to be sustained by the state.
GDP/capita would be an improvement, but even that doesn't really give the full picture.
Rather than strictly economic metrics other parameters should be included in the mix, such as: life expectancy, infant mortality, healthcare delivery, human development including education and literacy, cultural assets, environmental protection, energy conservation, civic engagement, biodiversity, sustainable agriculture and natural assets.
I'd contend that the EU is better positioned in most of these metrics than the USA.
Hmm - personally I'd rather be rich and have a shortage of cultural assets rather than the other way round. Communist countries prioritised cultural assets yet their citizens couldn't wait to be rich. |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 11, 2024 23:20:16 GMT
BSA spring piston air rifles are once again made in blighty. Back when we were in the EU they were made in Spain by Gamo and only PCPs were made in Birmingham at the factory which once produced everything from Lee Enfield rifles to motorcycles.
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Post by Dan Dare on Apr 12, 2024 8:23:40 GMT
It makes me wonder just how arrogant you have to be to look down your nose at people who don't eat sea bugs snails and frogs. I was merely responding to Jonksy's lament that he couldn't find any shellfish in a French supermarket. I've never been in one that didn't but you shouldn't take that to mean I eat it myself (I don't) or that I demand that anyone else does.
Don't be a count all your life, why not take a day off?
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Post by jonksy on Apr 12, 2024 8:26:35 GMT
It makes me wonder just how arrogant you have to be to look down your nose at people who don't eat sea bugs snails and frogs. I was merely responding to Jonksy's lament that he couldn't find any shellfish in a French supermarket. I've never been in one that didn't but you shouldn't take that to mean I eat it myself (I don't) or that I demand that anyone else does.
Don't be a count all your life, why not take a day off?
There wasn't any frigging shell fish on the menus in the shithole either DD.. |
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