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Post by happyhornet on Mar 21, 2024 16:19:07 GMT
I know you're just dying to get this down on a spreadsheet as per usual but I don't intend to oblige. Use your own imagination. 🤣🤣 This is the equivalent of "actually I have loads of cool friends, they just go to a different school and I don't have to tell you their names for it to be true". |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 21, 2024 18:20:54 GMT
I quite like the idea of Orania, if people want to live in an all white or indeed all black community surely it should be their choice. I believe Orania has it's own currency, receives no government funding and has energy independence primarily through solar power. Good luck to them. Could Oriana ever be successful in the UK? LOL, not a snowballs chance in hell. Lefties would insist such a successful crime free 'white' community was racist and flood it with diversity...
...and lo, it became just another multicultural crime ridden shit tip. And the lefties were pleased.
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 21, 2024 18:38:00 GMT
That's an interesting point, and it might be instructive to look at why an Orania can exist and even thrive in South Africa but would likely (but not necessarily certainly) be doomed to failure in the UK or some other western liberal democracy.
Part of the secret it seems to me is to create a community which by its very nature would be unlikely to appeal to those who you don't wish to include. The Oranians have done this by focusing completely on Afrikaner language, culture and history. They are almost completely financially independent, receiving no local or government funds or subsidies. Very importantly there are no benefits and there is no need for unskilled labour; they do everything from housebuilding to sweeping the streets themselves.
Finally, they give the strong impression of being able to look after themselves. All the public employees seemed to carry guns, as did the ushers at church. It would be a very brave jihadi or ANC fanatic who chose Orania as a place to run amok or even rob the filling station.
Something to mull over.
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 21, 2024 19:40:53 GMT
The thing is Dan, we have a peice of legislation called the Equality Act 2010 which would make it illegal to have a white only community. Indeed, if anyone were stupid enough to even suggest it he would almost certainly be arrested.
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 21, 2024 19:46:02 GMT
The thing is Dan, we have a peice of legislation called the Equality Act 2010 which would make it illegal to have a white only community. Indeed, if anyone were stupid enough to even suggest it he would almost certainly be arrested. What's the moral difference between a whites only community and a blacks only theatre night? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 21, 2024 20:09:51 GMT
The thing is Dan, we have a peice of legislation called the Equality Act 2010 which would make it illegal to have a white only community. Indeed, if anyone were stupid enough to even suggest it he would almost certainly be arrested. What's the moral difference between a whites only community and a blacks only theatre night? Well I dunno about morally, but legally there's no difference. Both are illegal under current legislation. Of course, as we all know, racism even perceived racism against black people is treated very differently to racism against white people. |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 21, 2024 20:20:23 GMT
What's the moral difference between a whites only community and a blacks only theatre night? Well I dunno about morally, but legally there's no difference. Both are illegal under current legislation. Of course, as we all know, racism even perceived racism against black people is treated very differently to racism against white people. Do you support/ condemn both? One but not the other? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 21, 2024 20:34:23 GMT
Well I dunno about morally, but legally there's no difference. Both are illegal under current legislation. Of course, as we all know, racism even perceived racism against black people is treated very differently to racism against white people. Do you support/ condemn both? One but not the other? You're asking me whether I support or condemn two things, one has happend the other has not. I can condemn the authorities for allowing a theatre to ban white people because, in spite of the Equality Act, it has happened. I cannot condemn a UK version of Orania because it's never happened. How can something that has never happened be condemned? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 21, 2024 21:05:50 GMT
The thing is Dan, we have a peice of legislation called the Equality Act 2010 which would make it illegal to have a white only community. Indeed, if anyone were stupid enough to even suggest it he would almost certainly be arrested. Actually I don't think anyone can be arrested under the Equality Act. Offences under it are civil offences not criminal ones.
I don't believe that a white-only community per se is illegal, even in 21st century Britain.
But I do agree that setting an Orania would be extremely challenging.
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 21, 2024 21:07:44 GMT
What's the moral difference between a whites only community and a blacks only theatre night? None whatsoever as far as I can see. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 21, 2024 21:09:39 GMT
Indeed , Im looking for such a retreat to go and retire away from London . There are still some parts of this green and pleasant land that are still England That's the thing, isn't it? Two generations ago most of England would have been much like that. And quite a bit still is. It's not about race in my view, it's about shared values. Back in the day, most people were agreed about the direction of the country. We were pulling together. Now society is fractured and being pulled in too many directions, which is why it's falling apart. A monoculture is simply always going to be more stable. Well, you can blame Margaret "there is no such thing as society" Thatcher for that. What you describe, and decry the lack of, can NOT exist in a personal greed driven capitalist system. All The Best |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 21, 2024 21:15:55 GMT
Do you support/ condemn both? One but not the other? You're asking me whether I support or condemn two things, one has happend the other has not. I can condemn the authorities for allowing a theatre to ban white people because, in spite of the Equality Act, it has happened. I cannot condemn a UK version of Orania because it's never happened. How can something that has never happened be condemned? Yes but morally you can have a judgement on both. What is it? |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 21, 2024 21:18:25 GMT
The thing is Dan, we have a peice of legislation called the Equality Act 2010 which would make it illegal to have a white only community. Indeed, if anyone were stupid enough to even suggest it he would almost certainly be arrested. What's the moral difference between a whites only community and a blacks only theatre night? None ..we should have both or neither. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 21, 2024 21:18:44 GMT
The thing is Dan, we have a peice of legislation called the Equality Act 2010 which would make it illegal to have a white only community. Indeed, if anyone were stupid enough to even suggest it he would almost certainly be arrested. Actually I don't think anyone can be arrested under the Equality Act. Offences under it are civil offences not criminal ones.
I don't believe that a white-only community per se is illegal, even in 21st century Britain.
But I do agree that setting an Orania would be extremely challenging.
Well OK, but I'm confident that if a theatre banned black people arrests would be made. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 21, 2024 21:24:36 GMT
The thing is Dan, we have a peice of legislation called the Equality Act 2010 which would make it illegal to have a white only community. Indeed, if anyone were stupid enough to even suggest it he would almost certainly be arrested. Actually I don't think anyone can be arrested under the Equality Act. Offences under it are civil offences not criminal ones.
I don't believe that a white-only community per se is illegal, even in 21st century Britain.
But I do agree that setting an Orania would be extremely challenging.
OK try the HRA which says it is illegal to discriminate on grounds of colour. Therefor a British Orania would indeed be, challenging lol. |
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