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Post by Vinny on Mar 17, 2024 5:36:54 GMT
Evidence that Savile was a satanist who hid behind Catholicism.
Evidence that he insisted on being buried at 45 degrees.
You're the one who dragged the topic away from the discussion about Islam and terrorists and rape gangs.
I'll criticise any belief which leads it's followers into assaulting others.
And lets not forget what happened in Rotherham.
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 17, 2024 6:10:57 GMT
Evidence that Savile was a satanist who hid behind Catholicism. Evidence that he insisted on being buried at 45 degrees. You're the one who dragged the topic away from the discussion about Islam and terrorists and rape gangs. I'll criticise any belief which leads it's followers into assaulting others. And lets not forget what happened in Rotherham. So you are admitting that there is NO EVIDENCE AT ALL that being buried at 45 degrees has anything to do with Satanism? Not sure what Rotherham has to do with you making claims that you can't substantiate. All The Best
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Post by Vinny on Mar 17, 2024 6:24:01 GMT
Before you started accusing me of being religious I was making a point about militant Islam.
I stand in opposition to abuse. I don't defend abusive ideologies.
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Post by jonksy on Mar 17, 2024 6:36:48 GMT
Evidence that Savile was a satanist who hid behind Catholicism. Evidence that he insisted on being buried at 45 degrees. You're the one who dragged the topic away from the discussion about Islam and terrorists and rape gangs. I'll criticise any belief which leads it's followers into assaulting others. And lets not forget what happened in Rotherham. So you are admitting that there is NO EVIDENCE AT ALL that being buried at 45 degrees has anything to do with Satanism? Not sure what Rotherham has to do with you making claims that you can't substantiate. All The Best Reading Vinny's initial post he stated the following....
Jimmy Savile reportedly was one, despite being officially Catholic.
And his body was buried at a 45 degree angle.
I'll condemn any ideology that does harm to others.
There are many reports made by savilles victims that he was a Satanist...
But he insisted he was a catholic and did request to be buried at 45 degrees verified by his familiy..
I am not in anyway attempting to read Vinny's mind but logically he was stating "that saville was a satanist despite also declaring he was a catholic"..
If I am wrong in my interpretation Vinny you have my apologies...
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Post by Vinny on Mar 17, 2024 6:46:53 GMT
Yeah and now I'm getting an over the top OCD assault whilst I was trying to make a point about Islam.
Most Muslims I've met have been lovely people, because most people in any walk of life are. But people who abuse, because they're inspired by ideology to abuse, are a problem that we cannot ignore. There's a lot of cruelty, violence and intolerance in the Koran. The religion hasn't undergone a reformation. Various terrorist organisations from Hamas to "The Islamic State" exist which are murdering people.
The 11th September 2001 suicide attacks against New York and Washington DC remain the worst terrorist attacks in history.
There is a problem.
It's 20 years since Theo Van Gogh was murdered for making a film about the problems for Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a former Muslim who herself has faced death threats.
But if we talk about such things mindless lefties call us racists, Islamophobes, bigots etc. The same mindless idiocy which called Brexit racist.
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 17, 2024 6:53:40 GMT
Yeah and now I'm getting an over the top OCD assault whilst I was trying to make a point about Islam. Most Muslims I've met have been lovely people, because most people in any walk of life are. But people who abuse, because they're inspired by ideology to abuse, are a problem that we cannot ignore. There's a lot of cruelty, violence and intolerance in the Koran. The religion hasn't undergone a reformation. Various terrorist organisations from Hamas to "The Islamic State" exist which are murdering people. The 11th September 2001 suicide attacks against New York and Washington DC remain the worst terrorist attacks in history. There is a problem. It's 20 years since Theo Van Gogh was murdered for making a film about the problems for Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a former Muslim who herself has faced death threats. But if we talk about such things mindless lefties call us racists, Islamophobes, bigots etc. The same mindless idiocy which called Brexit racist. It appears such folk love to cancel people and opinions of certain persuasion, but they don't like cancelling extremism. They'd sooner cancel thee for the robustness of speaking about the issue, rather than the issue itself.
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 17, 2024 10:58:17 GMT
Before you started accusing me of being religious I was making a point about militant Islam. I stand in opposition to abuse. I don't defend abusive ideologies. You seemingly don't provide evidence for the claims you have made either. But to your last sentence. You'd be comfortable with the same kind of rhetoric being used for Christians that you are now using towards Islam? Asking someone to in a debate to back up their claims with evidence is NOT OCD, it is good practice. The alternative is to believe any old bullshit anyone spouts - and I am just not that dumb. All The Best
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 17, 2024 11:05:09 GMT
Yeah and now I'm getting an over the top OCD assault whilst I was trying to make a point about Islam. Most Muslims I've met have been lovely people, because most people in any walk of life are. But people who abuse, because they're inspired by ideology to abuse, are a problem that we cannot ignore. There's a lot of cruelty, violence and intolerance in the Koran. The religion hasn't undergone a reformation. Various terrorist organisations from Hamas to "The Islamic State" exist which are murdering people. The 11th September 2001 suicide attacks against New York and Washington DC remain the worst terrorist attacks in history. There is a problem. It's 20 years since Theo Van Gogh was murdered for making a film about the problems for Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a former Muslim who herself has faced death threats. But if we talk about such things mindless lefties call us racists, Islamophobes, bigots etc. The same mindless idiocy which called Brexit racist. It appears such folk love to cancel people and opinions of certain persuasion, but they don't like cancelling extremism. They'd sooner cancel thee for the robustness of speaking about the issue, rather than the issue itself. I am as opposed the genuine extremism as anyone. I am equally opposed to "throw enough shit and hope / pretend some of it sticks". Look, it is pretty obvious to any who has even a basic knowledge of Satanism and other Judeo-Christian religions that being buried at 45 degrees is nothing at all to do with them. If being buried at 45 degrees were in anyway linked to Satanism then Vinny would be able to provide evidence to support that. He hasn't - because he just made it up. If he made that up we have to ask what else has he made up? Debate should be informed, and that requires supporting evidence. That is all I am looking for. There are plenty of people who have views I don't agree with, but who have expressed those views with some supporting evidence. This isn't one of them. And frankly people blaming made up sky-fairies (what ever deity it may be) for bad shit that people choose to do is pretty lame. All The Best
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 17, 2024 11:12:24 GMT
Most Muslims I've met have been lovely people, because most people in any walk of life are. But people who abuse, because they're inspired by ideology to abuse, are a problem that we cannot ignore. There's a lot of cruelty, violence and intolerance in the Koran. The religion hasn't undergone a reformation. Various terrorist organisations from Hamas to "The Islamic State" exist which are murdering people. The same is true of Zionism. It seeks to expel all Non-Jews from whatever land it wants to claim as Israel. Right now Zionists are engaged in a pogrom in Gaza, Palestine and the West Bank, with over 30,000 dead, the vast majority of whom were women and children. Will you join me in condemning that as well as all manifestations of extremist Islam, and indeed any of the evils inflicted on the world by Christianity? All The Best
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Post by Orac on Mar 17, 2024 11:17:05 GMT
Most Muslims I've met have been lovely people, because most people in any walk of life are. But people who abuse, because they're inspired by ideology to abuse, are a problem that we cannot ignore. There's a lot of cruelty, violence and intolerance in the Koran. The religion hasn't undergone a reformation. Various terrorist organisations from Hamas to "The Islamic State" exist which are murdering people. The same is true of Zionism. It seeks to expel all Non-Jews from whatever land it wants to claim as Israel. That doesn't seem to be the case. Many Muslims currently live in Israel and there is no push to get rid of them. Many Muslims living in Israel seem to prefer that arrangement to living in a Muslim country. It's easy to get over excited with this issue and forget reality
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 17, 2024 11:23:18 GMT
The same is true of Zionism. It seeks to expel all Non-Jews from whatever land it wants to claim as Israel. That doesn't seem to be the case. Many Muslims currently live in Israel and there is no push to get rid of them. Many Muslims living in Israel seem to prefer that arrangement to living in a Muslim country. It's easy to get over excited with this issue and forget reality And yet Israel has recently passed the "nation-state laws" that effectively turn Israel into an apartheid state, with non Jews being 2nd class citizens. What chance that once they have ethnically cleansed Gaza and the West Bank they turn their gaze inward? All The Best
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Post by Vinny on Mar 17, 2024 11:28:39 GMT
One difference with Christianity and Islam. As yet, nobody has strapped a bomb to themselves in the name of Jesus and blown up a train full of commuters. And I've seen nothing in the New Testament that actually encourages such violence. There is stuff in the Koran which does encourage killing. As for the Zionists, there is stuff in the Old Testament and the Talmud which encourages killing. skepticsannotatedbible.com/dt/cr_list.html Look no further than Deuteronomy, it's evil. Of course what the Israelis are doing is terrorism and I condemn the murder of civilians which the IDF are committing. Gaza is on the verge of a terror famine, and if it goes fully into a terror famine, those of us who support the existence of Israel as a sovereign country (but not its behaviour), are going to face a new terror threat ourselves. It stands to reason, because there are a minority of militant and very irate muslims in western countries who belive in the bits which state stuff like this: skepticsannotatedbible.com/all/cr_list.htmlWe all remember what happened on the 11th of September 2001 (New York, Washington DC and Stonycreek Pennsylvania), 11th March 2004 (Madrid) and on the 7th of July 2005 (London) to name but a few Islamist terrorist attacks, of course there have been far more in the Middle East.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 17, 2024 11:37:59 GMT
Most Muslims I've met have been lovely people, because most people in any walk of life are. But people who abuse, because they're inspired by ideology to abuse, are a problem that we cannot ignore. There's a lot of cruelty, violence and intolerance in the Koran. The religion hasn't undergone a reformation. Various terrorist organisations from Hamas to "The Islamic State" exist which are murdering people. The same is true of Zionism. It seeks to expel all Non-Jews from whatever land it wants to claim as Israel. Well that is obviously bunk - in the 1950's 90% of the population of Israel was Jewish - now that is down to 75%. If the Jews are trying to exterminate the non-Jews they are not very good at it.
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Post by Orac on Mar 17, 2024 11:40:51 GMT
That doesn't seem to be the case. Many Muslims currently live in Israel and there is no push to get rid of them. Many Muslims living in Israel seem to prefer that arrangement to living in a Muslim country. It's easy to get over excited with this issue and forget reality And yet Israel has recently passed the "nation-state laws" that effectively turn Israel into an apartheid state, with non Jews being 2nd class citizens. What chance that once they have ethnically cleansed Gaza and the West Bank they turn their gaze inward? All The Best The nation state laws don't look anything like a pogrom, ethnic cleansing or apartheid to me. They just an affirmation of the nature of Israel and its official language. This is equivalent to Saudi Arabia declaring that her official language is Arabic. Hardly eyebrow raising. Ethnically cleanse Gaza? that's a bit hyperbolic
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Post by Vinny on Mar 17, 2024 11:54:50 GMT
Bombing of civilians, shooting of civilians, follow the news reports, it's happened.
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