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Post by Bentley on Mar 16, 2024 9:41:26 GMT
Satan can exist in the minds of those who believe, Nope, Satan either exists, or he does not, as a matter of fact; belief has nothing at all to do with it, that is not how reality works. If it did we'd all be millionaires just by believing that we are. All The Best Actually that is how reality works . Humans have a gift of abstract thought and imagination. An exclusive club can exist on the principle of an imagined entity . The club is the reality. I take it that you believe a biological man can never be defined as a woman . |
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 16, 2024 9:50:54 GMT
Nope, Satan either exists, or he does not, as a matter of fact; belief has nothing at all to do with it, that is not how reality works. If it did we'd all be millionaires just by believing that we are. All The Best Actually that is how reality works . Humans have a gift of abstract thought and imagination. An exclusive club can exist on the principle of an imagined entity . The club is the reality. Abstract thought and imagination do not create reality. They may be used in our efforts to understand, navigate, and even shield ourselves from reality; but they do not create it. Reality is independent of our thoughts and desires. The club you allude to is not "reality" at all, it is a consensually constructed lens with which to view reality, and like all lenses it can obscure or change what we perceive of reality. To go back to the Satanist angle, the Satanist Club perceives and/or believes that Satan exists, and their actions are informed by that perception; but an atheist would not perceive or believe that Satan exists and thus their actions would not be informed by it. However, ONLY one of them is correct; Satan either exists or he does not, it can not possibly be both. Thus there is only ONE reality. All The Best |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 16, 2024 9:54:57 GMT
Actually that is how reality works . Humans have a gift of abstract thought and imagination. An exclusive club can exist on the principle of an imagined entity . The club is the reality. Abstract thought and imagination do not create reality. They may be used in our efforts to understand, navigate, and even shield ourselves from reality; but they do not create it. Reality is independent of our thoughts and desires. The club you allude to is not "reality" at all, it is a consensually constructed lens with which to view reality, and like all lenses it can obscure or change what we perceive of reality. To go back to the Satanist angle, the Satanist Club perceives and/or believes that Satan exists, and their actions are informed by that perception; but an atheist would not perceive or believe that Satan exists and thus their actions would not be informed by it. However, ONLY one of them is correct; Satan either exists or he does not, it can not possibly be both. Thus there is only ONE reality. All The Best I’m sorry to hear that you believe your thoughts( and concepts ) are unreal but glad that you don’t believe a biological man can ever be defined as a woman . |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 16, 2024 10:06:29 GMT
As you have so amply proved (I repeat) Also and just an observation why don’t you make “All The Best” your signature save you a heap of time and tapping out every day which is a useful piece of realty  ; neither of those admissions detract from the fact that there is only one reality. There is no such thing as "plurality of truth", there just isn't. If "All The Best" was in my signature then it would attach to all my posts; I don't necessarily want that to be the case. All The Best All part of the human condition,being aware of it though isn’t universal.  |
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 16, 2024 10:09:29 GMT
Abstract thought and imagination do not create reality. They may be used in our efforts to understand, navigate, and even shield ourselves from reality; but they do not create it. Reality is independent of our thoughts and desires. The club you allude to is not "reality" at all, it is a consensually constructed lens with which to view reality, and like all lenses it can obscure or change what we perceive of reality. To go back to the Satanist angle, the Satanist Club perceives and/or believes that Satan exists, and their actions are informed by that perception; but an atheist would not perceive or believe that Satan exists and thus their actions would not be informed by it. However, ONLY one of them is correct; Satan either exists or he does not, it can not possibly be both. Thus there is only ONE reality. All The Best I’m sorry to hear that you believe your thoughts are unreal and glad that you don’t believe a biological man can ever be defined as a woman . You have, it seems, misunderstood me; perhaps in the hope of "scoring a point". My thoughts ARE real, to me at least; however, they do NOT "create reality" they are my attempt to understand reality. Reality exists independently of our thoughts of reality, or even in the absence of our ability to perceive reality. Would the physical location we call "Mount Everest" still exist if man had never evolved on this planet to see it and think about it? Of course it would. All The Best |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2024 10:09:33 GMT
You started a thread about Satanic Paedophiles. Jimmy Savile reportedly was one, despite being officially Catholic. And his body was buried at a 45 degree angle. I'll condemn any ideology that does harm to others. 45 degrees? Lying NE to SW - is that what you mean? Strange idea, I wonder what that doesn't do. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 16, 2024 10:23:14 GMT
I’m sorry to hear that you believe your thoughts are unreal and glad that you don’t believe a biological man can ever be defined as a woman . You have, it seems, misunderstood me; perhaps in the hope of "scoring a point". My thoughts ARE real, to me at least; however, they do NOT "create reality" they are my attempt to understand reality. Reality exists independently of our thoughts of reality, or even in the absence of our ability to perceive reality. Would the physical location we call "Mount Everest" still exist if man had never evolved on this planet to see it and think about it? Of course it would. All The Best Concepts are real. Satan doesn’t need to be a devil with horns and a tail to be real . I think you know that and attempted to ‘ score a point’ towards looking clever when you ignored it . See I can do that. Im still glad that you don’t support the idea that a man can de defined as a woman though . |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 16, 2024 11:26:11 GMT
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 16, 2024 11:33:02 GMT
But still no proof that being buried like that constitutes a Satanic Burial? All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 16, 2024 11:36:54 GMT
You have, it seems, misunderstood me; perhaps in the hope of "scoring a point". My thoughts ARE real, to me at least; however, they do NOT "create reality" they are my attempt to understand reality. Reality exists independently of our thoughts of reality, or even in the absence of our ability to perceive reality. Would the physical location we call "Mount Everest" still exist if man had never evolved on this planet to see it and think about it? Of course it would. All The Best Concepts are real. Satan doesn’t need to be a devil with horns and a tail to be real . I think you know that and attempted to ‘ score a point’ towards looking clever when you ignored it . See I can do that. Im still glad that you don’t support the idea that a man can de defined as a woman though . Concepts are abstracts. They have no direct physical presence. Are the real? Yes and no. Yes they are real intellectual constructs that some people believe in, and which therefore inform and guide the actions of those individuals. No, they have no direct presence in reality - that is they can not be directly perceived, nor can they be measured, nor can they exist independently of thought. As to the transgender thing, I have thus far made no comment on that, so please stop lying about my beliefs. All The Best |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 16, 2024 11:45:26 GMT
Gave a link with evidence about Savile's character and his beliefs.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 16, 2024 12:06:07 GMT
Anyway this site lists cruelty violence and intolerance in multiple faiths: www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/Well worth looking at. If you want to understand why Islamist terrorists exist, read their book and the hateful passages which motivate them. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 16, 2024 12:29:08 GMT
Anyway this site lists cruelty violence and intolerance in multiple faiths: www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/Well worth looking at. If you want to understand why Islamist terrorists exist, read their book and the hateful passages which motivate them. The best thing about the koran is the fact they are just the right thinkness to stick under the leg of a wonky table.. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 16, 2024 12:43:12 GMT
Concepts are real. Satan doesn’t need to be a devil with horns and a tail to be real . I think you know that and attempted to ‘ score a point’ towards looking clever when you ignored it . See I can do that. Im still glad that you don’t support the idea that a man can de defined as a woman though . Concepts are abstracts. They have no direct physical presence. Are the real? Yes and no. Yes they are real intellectual constructs that some people believe in, and which therefore inform and guide the actions of those individuals. No, they have no direct presence in reality - that is they can not be directly perceived, nor can they be measured, nor can they exist independently of thought. As to the transgender thing, I have thus far made no comment on that, so please stop lying about my beliefs. All The Best A concept is real and have a direct presence in reality . Never heard of religions ? If being a biological male is a fact then the biological male cannot be defined as a woman , right ? You obviously are unaware of your own premise . |
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 16, 2024 14:42:38 GMT
Gave a link with evidence about Savile's character and his beliefs. Yup, and I read it all. No mention that being buried at 45 degrees has anything at all to so with Satanism. All The Best |
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