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Post by Totheleft on Mar 13, 2024 6:57:09 GMT
Archbishops of Canterbury and York warn against new extremism definition
Clerics say Michael Gove’s anti-extremism strategy risks targeting Muslims and may threaten freedom of speech and peaceful protest
Nadeem Badshah
Tue 12 Mar 2024 19.47 EDT
In a joint statement, Justin Welby and Stephen Cottrell said labelling a multifaceted problem as hateful extremism may “vilify the wrong people and risk yet more division”.
The statement added: “The new definition being proposed not only inadvertently threatens freedom of speech, but also the right to worship and peaceful protest – things that have been hard won and form the fabric of a civilised society.
“Crucially, it risks disproportionately targeting Muslim communities, who are already experiencing rising levels of hate and abuse.
“We are concerned – like so many others – by its implications for public life. We join calls for the government to reconsider its approach and instead have a broad-based conversation with all those who it will affect.
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Post by wapentake on Mar 13, 2024 7:55:57 GMT
Thing is TTL the C of E is an irrelevance a hangover of times gone that wants to lecture others yet is an institution with land and wealth that preys on the few still left to get them to part with their cash.
You do know they want £1 billion to pay out for the crime of the slave trade,do you think that’s a good idea?
The lords pastoral are an guaranteed a place that is a anachronism the HoL where they preach to the rest of us from a privileged position they don’t deserve.
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 13, 2024 8:03:39 GMT
I look forward to reading the new definition of "extremism", but I'm afraid anything made up by politicians will be nonsense (like the APPG definition of islamophobia). I suspect the law of unintended consequences will apply in spades.
As for "extremism" I would have thought it could be defined as "anything that is illegal". For example people struggle to define the difference between Islam and Islamism - basically Islam is acceptable (just) while Islamism is not. But basically Islamism is simply an "extreme" form of Islam - in other words a "strict" or "literal" or "conservative" form of Islam. But it's probably no coincidence that the extreme bits of Islam are those that are actually illegal under British law - for example discrimination on the basis of sex, sexual orientation etc etc. In other words the "protected characteristics".
Basically extremism is illegal. The problem that Gove has is that politicians seem to have granted "religion" exemption from many of our laws. WHY? If a political ideology is illegal the ideology is proscribed. The same should apply to religions. If Islamism wants to make women second class citizens then it's extermism and should be ILLEGAL.
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Post by Hutchyns on Mar 13, 2024 8:41:57 GMT
wapentake
Too true I'm afraid, and TTL should be more concerned that this has been left to the C of E to say, and that an angry Keir Starmer hasn't denounced Gove's plans, hasn't indicated that Labour will staunchly oppose this in the Commons, nor given a firm commitment to vote against it, or to immediately repeal any such legislation should the Tories get it through.
The CofE's comments are welcome but irrelevant, whereas Labour's silence or lack of indicated opposition to this 'Right wing Rubbish' should be a far bigger worry to ttl .... perhaps he intends making a separate post expressing his annoyance with Labour on this issue ?
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Post by Bentley on Mar 13, 2024 15:55:41 GMT
The CofE is irrelevant . Don’t take any notice
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Post by Vinny on Mar 14, 2024 20:21:01 GMT
One of my friends took her kid sister to a concert at Manchester Arena in 2017 (Ariana Grande). Don't make excuses for militant Islam. My friend and her sister were fucking lucky.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 14, 2024 22:18:33 GMT
Thing is TTL the C of E is an irrelevance a hangover of times gone that wants to lecture others yet is an institution with land and wealth that preys on the few still left to get them to part with their cash. You do know they want £1 billion to pay out for the crime of the slave trade,do you think that’s a good idea?The lords pastoral are an guaranteed a place that is a anachronism the HoL where they preach to the rest of us from a privileged position they don’t deserve. "The Lord is my shepherd I shall not want."
So we can forget the one billion then. We can pray for them and then they shall not want.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 14, 2024 22:33:17 GMT
If the Lords Spiritual wish to get involved in day to day politics and take a side on Government policy then it might be better (more democratic) if they gave up their seats in the Lords and stood for election like everyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2024 7:30:42 GMT
The extremists have been in government and the public sphere for decades pushing the most radical and extreme policies this country has ever seen. An agenda without any democratic mandate, where they literally lie to the point where their own manifestos are a total opposite of their real intention. These are the people who define extremism?
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 15, 2024 15:44:50 GMT
One of my friends took her kid sister to a concert at Manchester Arena in 2017 (Ariana Grande). Don't make excuses for militant Islam. My friend and her sister were fucking lucky. Only a tiny percentage of Muslims are "militant". All The Best |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 15, 2024 17:22:35 GMT
One of my friends took her kid sister to a concert at Manchester Arena in 2017 (Ariana Grande). Don't make excuses for militant Islam. My friend and her sister were fucking lucky. Only a tiny percentage of Muslims are "militant". All The Best Isn't that a relief for the victims, they were murdered by an ethnic minority. The Koran teaches intolerance, hatred and death to the infidel. Even though only a minority act upon the most violent bits of it, there's a problem. And people have been murdered in terrorism all around the world. 20 years ago this November Theo Van Gogh had a note pinned to his body with a knife because Mohammed Bouyeri was offended. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 15, 2024 17:47:54 GMT
Only a tiny percentage of Muslims are "militant". All The Best The Koran teaches intolerance, hatred and death to the infidel. Even though only a minority act upon the most violent bits of it, there's a problem. And people have been murdered in terrorism all around the world. 20 years ago this November Theo Van Gogh had a note pinned to his body with a knife because Mohammed Bouyeri was offended. The loved ones and relatives of those who were murdered on 911 and the Manchester bombing must be dancing in the streets Vinny. And lets not even mention the mossies Rochdale rape gangs... |
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 15, 2024 18:09:19 GMT
Only a tiny percentage of Muslims are "militant". All The Best Isn't that a relief for the victims, they were murdered by an ethnic minority. The Koran teaches intolerance, hatred and death to the infidel. Even though only a minority act upon the most violent bits of it, there's a problem. And people have been murdered in terrorism all around the world. 20 years ago this November Theo Van Gogh had a note pinned to his body with a knife because Mohammed Bouyeri was offended. So does the Bible, yet you seem to believe in that. If you doubt me look up, as a start, the Verden Massacre. All The Best |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 15, 2024 18:27:55 GMT
Isn't that a relief for the victims, they were murdered by an ethnic minority. The Koran teaches intolerance, hatred and death to the infidel. Even though only a minority act upon the most violent bits of it, there's a problem. And people have been murdered in terrorism all around the world. 20 years ago this November Theo Van Gogh had a note pinned to his body with a knife because Mohammed Bouyeri was offended. So does the Bible, yet you seem to believe in that. If you doubt me look up, as a start, the Verden Massacre. All The Best All religeons are here because of intimidation. |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 15, 2024 18:29:06 GMT
One of my friends took her kid sister to a concert at Manchester Arena in 2017 (Ariana Grande). Don't make excuses for militant Islam. My friend and her sister were fucking lucky. Only a tiny percentage of Muslims are "militant". All The Best Only a tiny percentage of Germans operated the concentration camp system yet managed to dispatch at least ten million people. |
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