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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 15, 2024 18:33:33 GMT
Only a tiny percentage of Muslims are "militant". All The Best Only a tiny percentage of Germans operated the concentration camp system yet managed to dispatch at least ten million people. So, are you suggesting it would be politic, and right, to class all Germans as extremists? Because, unless you are you really have not made any valid point. All The Best |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 15, 2024 18:39:01 GMT
Only a tiny percentage of Germans operated the concentration camp system yet managed to dispatch at least ten million people. So, are you suggesting it would be politic, and right, to class all Germans as extremists? Because, unless you are you really have not made any valid point. All The Best What is valid is that if a tiny percentage of Muslims are militant (and I question your idea of tiny) the ability to cause great harm exists hence the reference to the holocaust. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 15, 2024 18:43:27 GMT
So, are you suggesting it would be politic, and right, to class all Germans as extremists? Because, unless you are you really have not made any valid point. All The Best What is valid is that if a tiny percentage of Muslims are militant (and I question your idea of tiny) the ability to cause great harm exists hence the reference to the holocaust. What is valid that if, as you referenced in the Holocaust comment, a tiny percentage of Germans were able to kill 10 million people then surely all Germans must be considered Extremists. What about Catholics? A very tiny percentage of Catholic Priests were able to physically, emotionally, and sexually abuse thousands, if not tens of thousands, of children. Surely that means ALL Catholics should be labelled as "A Risk To Children" and places on the Sex Offenders Register. Or you can just admit you've started down a semantic path that leads you to losing the debate; because you very much have. All The Best |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 15, 2024 18:49:18 GMT
What is valid is that if a tiny percentage of Muslims are militant (and I question your idea of tiny) the ability to cause great harm exists hence the reference to the holocaust. What is valid that if, as you referenced in the Holocaust comment, a tiny percentage of Germans were able to kill 10 million people then surely all Germans must be considered Extremists. What about Catholics? A very tiny percentage of Catholic Priests were able to physically, emotionally, and sexually abuse thousands, if not tens of thousands, of children. Surely that means ALL Catholics should be labelled as "A Risk To Children" and places on the Sex Offenders Register. Or you can just admit you've started down a semantic path that leads you to losing the debate; because you very much have. All The Best And you’ve started yourself down the path that leads you to proclaim you have won the debate when it has barely started |
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 15, 2024 18:54:22 GMT
What is valid that if, as you referenced in the Holocaust comment, a tiny percentage of Germans were able to kill 10 million people then surely all Germans must be considered Extremists. What about Catholics? A very tiny percentage of Catholic Priests were able to physically, emotionally, and sexually abuse thousands, if not tens of thousands, of children. Surely that means ALL Catholics should be labelled as "A Risk To Children" and places on the Sex Offenders Register. Or you can just admit you've started down a semantic path that leads you to losing the debate; because you very much have. All The Best And you’ve started yourself down the path that leads you to proclaim you have won the debate when it has barely started Except I haven't. I have just pointed out that your current approach to the debate is a serious fallacy, that will derail your whole argument. You can NOT proscribe an entire religion just because of the hateful acts of a tiny minority. If we did that then Judaism, Christianity and Islam (and any other proselyting monotheistic religion) would all need to be proscribed. That is untenable. All The Best |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 15, 2024 19:01:35 GMT
And you’ve started yourself down the path that leads you to proclaim you have won the debate when it has barely started Except I haven't. I have just pointed out that your current approach to the debate is a serious fallacy, that will derail your whole argument. You can NOT proscribe an entire religion just because of the hateful acts of a tiny minority. If we did that then Judaism, Christianity and Islam (and any other proselyting monotheistic religion) would all need to be proscribed. That is untenable. All The Best Except when you tell someone they have lost the argument implies there is a winner.. Your current approach is fallacious in that you allege I have proscribed an entire religion, if you could go through my posts on here and reference where I have actually posted that that would be useful. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 15, 2024 19:02:23 GMT
And you’ve started yourself down the path that leads you to proclaim you have won the debate when it has barely started Except I haven't. I have just pointed out that your current approach to the debate is a serious fallacy, that will derail your whole argument. You can NOT proscribe an entire religion just because of the hateful acts of a tiny minority. If we did that then Judaism, Christianity and Islam (and any other proselyting monotheistic religion) would all need to be proscribed. That is untenable. All The Best Christianity is demonised openly on a regular basis by Muslims and non Muslims Ditto Jews . Im not sure anyone is saying we should forbid Islam . |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 15, 2024 19:15:17 GMT
Isn't that a relief for the victims, they were murdered by an ethnic minority. The Koran teaches intolerance, hatred and death to the infidel. Even though only a minority act upon the most violent bits of it, there's a problem. And people have been murdered in terrorism all around the world. 20 years ago this November Theo Van Gogh had a note pinned to his body with a knife because Mohammed Bouyeri was offended. So does the Bible, yet you seem to believe in that.If you doubt me look up, as a start, the Verden Massacre. All The Best Where have I said that I believed in that? You assume a lot and your whatabouttery is rather childish. Do not make excuses for terrorists or books which inspire them to kill in the name of their imaginary fiend. I am glad that most religious people are peaceful and I take people as I find them, however I make no apologies for so called holy books, or the religious bigotry / violence which spews from a minority of their followers. You sound like another cultural relativist. The mindset of which turned a blind eye to paedo gangs in Rotherham, because "it was their culture". |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 15, 2024 19:19:50 GMT
What is valid is that if a tiny percentage of Muslims are militant (and I question your idea of tiny) the ability to cause great harm exists hence the reference to the holocaust. What is valid that if, as you referenced in the Holocaust comment, a tiny percentage of Germans were able to kill 10 million people then surely all Germans must be considered Extremists. What about Catholics? A very tiny percentage of Catholic Priests were able to physically, emotionally, and sexually abuse thousands, if not tens of thousands, of children. Surely that means ALL Catholics should be labelled as "A Risk To Children" and places on the Sex Offenders Register. Or you can just admit you've started down a semantic path that leads you to losing the debate; because you very much have. All The Best What is relevant is that the Germans who were peaceful and were the majority were effectively irrelevant as regards guiding the country and the industrial killing and enslavement that went on. So a tiny percentage of Muslims who are militant have the capability of leading all Muslims down the wrong path. |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 15, 2024 19:20:08 GMT
Safe to say that no reply was the answer.
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 15, 2024 19:36:50 GMT
So does the Bible, yet you seem to believe in that.If you doubt me look up, as a start, the Verden Massacre. All The Best Where have I said that I believed in that? You started a thread about Satanic Paedophiles. Satan can only exist if the Christian God exists, because Satan like all angels (fallen or otherwise) were created by the Christian God. It is not too far of a leap then to infer that as you clearly believe in the Christian God, then you also believe in the Bible. If you are saying you don't believe in the Bible, or the Christian God then that is fine, and I'll assume every post you make from now is built on false premises that you don't believe. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 15, 2024 19:41:55 GMT
What is valid that if, as you referenced in the Holocaust comment, a tiny percentage of Germans were able to kill 10 million people then surely all Germans must be considered Extremists. What about Catholics? A very tiny percentage of Catholic Priests were able to physically, emotionally, and sexually abuse thousands, if not tens of thousands, of children. Surely that means ALL Catholics should be labelled as "A Risk To Children" and places on the Sex Offenders Register. Or you can just admit you've started down a semantic path that leads you to losing the debate; because you very much have. All The Best What is relevant is that the Germans who were peaceful and were the majority were effectively irrelevant as regards guiding the country and the industrial killing and enslavement that went on. So a tiny percentage of Muslims who are militant have the capability of leading all Muslims down the wrong path. I get that that is what you are saying. But it necessarily follows that the same is true of any religious and / or socio-political grouping - that a tiny minority can lead the whole entirely down the wrong path. I have no problem proscribing proven Extremist Groups of any stripe, be that religious or socio-political. I do have a problem where the inference is that proscribed minority are representative of the whole, or that it justifies unfair negative treatment of the whole. Hence my reference to Germans, Catholics etc - demographics where an extremist tiny minority did very bad things, but where we did NOT take action against the whole demographic. All The Best |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 15, 2024 19:47:11 GMT
What is relevant is that the Germans who were peaceful and were the majority were effectively irrelevant as regards guiding the country and the industrial killing and enslavement that went on. So a tiny percentage of Muslims who are militant have the capability of leading all Muslims down the wrong path. I get that that is what you are saying. But it necessarily follows that the same is true of any religious and / or socio-political grouping - that a tiny minority can lead the whole entirely down the wrong path. I have no problem proscribing proven Extremist Groups of any stripe, be that religious or socio-political. I do have a problem where the inference is that proscribed minority are representative of the whole, or that it justifies unfair negative treatment of the whole. Hence my reference to Germans, Catholics etc - demographics where an extremist tiny minority did very bad things, but where we did NOT take action against the whole demographic. All The Best We did for the Germans and the Catholics ( and Protestants) have been systematically undermined for decades .but not Muslims . |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 15, 2024 19:48:13 GMT
Where have I said that I believed in that? You started a thread about Satanic Paedophiles. Satan can only exist if the Christian God exists, because Satan like all angels (fallen or otherwise) were created by the Christian God. It is not too far of a leap then to infer that as you clearly believe in the Christian God, then you also believe in the Bible. If you are saying you don't believe in the Bible, or the Christian God then that is fine, and I'll assume every post you make from now is built on false premises that you don't believe. All The Best Satan can exist in the minds of those who believe,satan can also be used as some sort of front for a purpose. Starting a thread that references a paedophile ring that is labelled satanic does not make the original poster a believer in Satan. You have made many assumptions about several posters on here all seemingly based on false premise that and your apparent (but false) belief in the superiority of your argument. |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 15, 2024 20:02:44 GMT
What is relevant is that the Germans who were peaceful and were the majority were effectively irrelevant as regards guiding the country and the industrial killing and enslavement that went on. So a tiny percentage of Muslims who are militant have the capability of leading all Muslims down the wrong path. I get that that is what you are saying. But it necessarily follows that the same is true of any religious and / or socio-political grouping - that a tiny minority can lead the whole entirely down the wrong path. I have no problem proscribing proven Extremist Groups of any stripe, be that religious or socio-political. I do have a problem where the inference is that proscribed minority are representative of the whole, or that it justifies unfair negative treatment of the whole. Hence my reference to Germans, Catholics etc - demographics where an extremist tiny minority did very bad things, but where we did NOT take action against the whole demographic. All The Best WE took action against all Germans, Catholics and Protestants have been knocking lumps off each other for hundreds of years. It all depends on whether the tiny minority can garner some support from all others in the first instance. In Germany's case the tiny minority (the size of which is a moot point) managed to gain control of the levers of power of the state and ruled by fear. As regards Islam the tiny minority (again moot) already control to a certain extent through fear and joint action, not just Muslims but also society in general whereby society has learned not to carry out certain legal actions because it can lead to violence, and fatal violence, from the devout. The joint anger, at certain actions of outsiders, from within that community is what leads to the violence against those who transgress Muslim sensibilities. The Rushdie affair was an early warning that was ignored. |
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