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Post by see2 on Mar 15, 2024 15:01:09 GMT
Yup. PVs finally managed to escape the clutches of UK debate . Well, finally fed up of a certain member thinking his opinion is the only one permitted there. All The Best Sounds like the clash of the Titans.  |
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Post by vlk on Mar 15, 2024 15:20:31 GMT
Can you trust defectors? If he has betrayed someone else what makes you think he wouldn't betray you?
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Post by see2 on Mar 15, 2024 15:28:25 GMT
Can you trust defectors? If he has betrayed someone else what makes you think he wouldn't betray you? I suspect that many defectors are just looking for somewhere they can fit in. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 15, 2024 15:31:33 GMT
Richard Trice was on the lefty Vine show the other day, and lefty Vine asked him what he thought of Anderson jumping ship from Labour to Tory to Reform, Trice summed it up well, he said of course you will jump ship if the party you are serving is not living up to your expectations and that of the people, both Labour and the Tories are not serving the people and are failing them, so it's quite right that MPs like Lee Anderson are so disillusioned that they stand up for their principels and leave that party....... Well said Trice, and well done Anderson. So which exact policies do Reform have that "serve the people"? I have not seen one so far, but I am willing to concede others may be better informed than I. All The Best |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 15, 2024 15:33:14 GMT
Can you trust defectors? If he has betrayed someone else what makes you think he wouldn't betray you? Not really, if you think about your energy provider, your mobile phone provider, your broadband provider, what do you do when they are not fit-for-purpose you change them, it's no different from people serving in their chosen political party who have become disgruntled and disillusioned , they move. I bet no one on this forum either from the left or right are happy with how their chosen political preference is performing right now. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 15, 2024 15:35:57 GMT
Can you trust defectors? If he has betrayed someone else what makes you think he wouldn't betray you? Not really, if you think about your energy provider, your mobile phone provider, your broadband provider, what do you do when they are not fit-for-purpose you change them, it's no different from people serving in their chosen political party who have become disgruntled and disillusioned , they move. I bet no one on this forum either from the left or right are happy with how their chosen political preference is performing right now.Now there's a fact that needs highlighting. The decline of standards, political passion, and morality in UK Politics is approaching terminal velocity. All The Best |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 15, 2024 15:37:10 GMT
Richard Trice was on the lefty Vine show the other day, and lefty Vine asked him what he thought of Anderson jumping ship from Labour to Tory to Reform, Trice summed it up well, he said of course you will jump ship if the party you are serving is not living up to your expectations and that of the people, both Labour and the Tories are not serving the people and are failing them, so it's quite right that MPs like Lee Anderson are so disillusioned that they stand up for their principels and leave that party....... Well said Trice, and well done Anderson. So which exact policies do Reform have that "serve the people"? I have not seen one so far, but I am willing to concede others may be better informed than I. All The Best It's not what Reform have, it's what Labour and the Tories don't have, and that is trust in the people, both Labour and the Tories are dismal, they have both lost political direction, so Labour voters are fed up with Labour and Tory voters are fed up with the Tories, Reform is making all the right noises and saying all the right things, but only time will tell, they are lacking in donors but that might be about to change, even party donors are turning away from mainstream Labour/Tory. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 15, 2024 15:40:01 GMT
He wouldn’t be the first Labour supporting trade unionist that supported the Tories for while until he realised they were a sell out .
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 15, 2024 15:41:52 GMT
So which exact policies do Reform have that "serve the people"? I have not seen one so far, but I am willing to concede others may be better informed than I. All The Best It's not what Reform have, it's what Labour and the Tories don't have, and that is trust in the people, both Labour and the Tories are dismal, they have both lost political direction, so Labour voters are fed up with Labour and Tory voters are fed up with the Tories, Reform is making all the right noises and saying all the right things, but only time will tell, they are lacking in donors but that might be about to change, even party donors are turning away from mainstream Labour/Tory. Ok, so what "right noises" are they making? What "right things" are they saying? We are, at best, 10 months away from the next General Election. If they are going to be in any way fit for Office, or even Opposition, they must surely have some concrete ideas on what they want their policy set to be. If they have not then they are clearly not even remotely fit for office. All The Best |
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Post by ratcliff on Mar 15, 2024 15:44:13 GMT
Yup. PVs finally managed to escape the clutches of UK debate . Well, finally fed up of a certain member thinking his opinion is the only one permitted there. All The Best Does that forum have any remaining posters ? Wasn't it supposed to be closing when HH gave up after his very short tenure and Steve cancelling those who didn't accede to his perceived omnipotence ? Welcome |
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 15, 2024 15:47:01 GMT
Well, finally fed up of a certain member thinking his opinion is the only one permitted there. All The Best Does that forum have any remaining posters ? Wasn't it supposed to be closing when HH gave up after his very short tenure and Steve cancelling those who didn't accede to his perceived omnipotence ? Welcome I try to keep things ticking over. But when the remaining Mono-Mod breaks the Forum Rules to protect his entirely undeserved position as Moderator there's only so much I can do. It doesn't help that the current Forum Owner is "in absentia" and doesn't give enough of a damn to actually see what the real problem is. All The Best |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 15, 2024 15:48:08 GMT
It's not what Reform have, it's what Labour and the Tories don't have, and that is trust in the people, both Labour and the Tories are dismal, they have both lost political direction, so Labour voters are fed up with Labour and Tory voters are fed up with the Tories, Reform is making all the right noises and saying all the right things, but only time will tell, they are lacking in donors but that might be about to change, even party donors are turning away from mainstream Labour/Tory. Ok, so what "right noises" are they making? What "right things" are they saying? We are, at best, 10 months away from the next General Election. If they are going to be in any way fit for Office, or even Opposition, they must surely have some concrete ideas on what they want their policy set to be. If they have not then they are clearly not even remotely fit for office. All The Best What are the promises of Reform UK?
Our bold economic vision frees up over 6 million people from paying Income Tax and frees up over 1.2 million small businesses and self-employed from paying Corporation Tax. We would also aim to remove a raft of other stifling taxes in a responsible, timely way.
Manifesto
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 15, 2024 16:13:32 GMT
Ok, so what "right noises" are they making? What "right things" are they saying? We are, at best, 10 months away from the next General Election. If they are going to be in any way fit for Office, or even Opposition, they must surely have some concrete ideas on what they want their policy set to be. If they have not then they are clearly not even remotely fit for office. All The Best What are the promises of Reform UK?
Our bold economic vision frees up over 6 million people from paying Income Tax and frees up over 1.2 million small businesses and self-employed from paying Corporation Tax. We would also aim to remove a raft of other stifling taxes in a responsible, timely way.
Manifesto
Great. Now they've removed that Tax Revenue from the system how do they pay for Public Services that are already critically underfunded? I'd rather pay more tax and have a functioning country that benefits all, not just the wealthy elite; and I say that as someone who is well into the lower quintile of incomes. I also find that the vast majority of working class people I know simply do not trust a man whose net worth is £60 Million plus advocating for lower taxes. All The Best |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 15, 2024 16:18:05 GMT
What are the promises of Reform UK?
Our bold economic vision frees up over 6 million people from paying Income Tax and frees up over 1.2 million small businesses and self-employed from paying Corporation Tax. We would also aim to remove a raft of other stifling taxes in a responsible, timely way.
Manifesto
Great. Now they've removed that Tax Revenue from the system how do they pay for Public Services that are already critically underfunded? I'd rather pay more tax and have a functioning country that benefits all, not just the wealthy elite; and I say that as someone who is well into the lower quintile of incomes. All The Best Taxes are diverted, you would think paying your 'road tax' would go to things like highway/road maintenance, or council tax actually goes towards public services, but these taxes are diverted to things like paying millions a week to house illegal migrants, it would be a good start using taxes for what they are meant to be used for, the public services we pay for that money is not being put back in to public services, it's being diverted to some other nonsense, Reform could start be reforming the fairness of taxes. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 15, 2024 16:19:49 GMT
BTW if Labour get in to power our taxes will be squandered on reckless woke diversity nonsense.
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