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Post by jonksy on Mar 16, 2024 1:50:36 GMT
Plot to crown Penny Mordaunt as PM: Tory MPs on Right have held secret talks with moderates about replacing Rishi Sunak with Leader of the House....
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 16, 2024 7:40:41 GMT
There is no universe in which Penny is right wing. Any MP's that believe she is a the answer are definitely not right-wing...
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 16, 2024 8:08:33 GMT
I've never understood how anyone, left or right, decides after losing an election that the solution is a more extreme version of the politics that the electorate has just rejected. Well is that not the normal stance for you hh? Did the electorate vote to leave the EUSSR? A simple yes or no will suffice... The electorate voted to leave the EU of that's what you mean. How's that going? |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 16, 2024 8:21:59 GMT
Well is that not the normal stance for you hh? Did the electorate vote to leave the EUSSR? A simple yes or no will suffice... The electorate voted to leave the EU of that's what you mean. How's that going?Fucking brilliant mate that's how it is going......Never mind hh your grieving for your beloved EUSSR will diminish in time... |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 16, 2024 8:37:23 GMT
There is no universe in which Penny is right wing. Any MP's that believe she is a the answer are definitely not right-wing... I think you may have misread that article. What i read was the rather actively angry right wing of the party - what’s left of it - are chatting to the centre who support her about a deal where she is touted as Fishi Rishi’s replacement. It wouldn’t be the first time a front bencher immersed in the defence business has been used to kick off a contest would it. Tarzan Hesseltine comes to mind. Frankly i cant see anything now changing the tory’s fate as crash test dummies. The party could be described as ‘in free fall’ towards a black hole of political oblivion, a course they set of their own free will the day Jeremy H chose to do and say fuck all about help for fuel bills while the fight for the tiller continued, but everything they have done since has been to keep the engines running at full thrush while they plunge to their doom with nobody interested in pulling up The cockpit by now must be full of master alarms and an electronuc voice screaming ‘Terrain Terrain Terrain Pull Up Five Hundred Feet Pull Up’ and NO ONE us even listening apart from some unfortunate crew who chose to eject downwards who right now need to just cross their legs as it will make the job of unscrewing their corpses from tbe hillside / peat bog they’re impacting SO much easier |
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Post by Dogburger on Mar 16, 2024 8:43:23 GMT
To be fair I don't think anyone of the right wants the tory party anywhere near it . Its been its constant wavering that way that has stopped the progress of right wing politics . They stopped UKIP with the referendum and they stopped the Brexit party with Johnsons 'get Brexit done ' in 2019 and I dare say they will try and stop Reform with some promise or another and promoting a rightish campaign . To be honest I just wish they would feck off back into the centre ground with Starmer and let the right stand or fall on its own merits New Labour kept the Tories out of office for the longest period in their history, that says a lot for politics staying clear of hard right politics. The Tories have never been 'hard right' .Thatcherism was as close as they got and even then Blair understood her capitalist policies had to be included in his plan of social cohesion . In short New Labour kept the Tories out of office because they were better at being Tories than the Tories ,they took the centre ground . Its why they were called New Labour , just plain old Labour of Foot and Kinnock couldn't get into power . Indeed it was how the Tories returned to power with first Brown and then Milliband moving Labour back to toward its socialist roots ,a job completed by the Marxist Corbyn So where does Labour cica 2024 sit ? Right wingers are often accused of looking back , of wanting a Britain long gone yet through Tory incompetence we could end up with a 'progressive' labour party Britain has rejected since 1974 . |
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 16, 2024 9:40:25 GMT
New Labour kept the Tories out of office for the longest period in their history, that says a lot for politics staying clear of hard right politics. The Tories have never been 'hard right' .Thatcherism was as close as they got and even then Blair understood her capitalist policies had to be included in his plan of social cohesion . In short New Labour kept the Tories out of office because they were better at being Tories than the Tories ,they took the centre ground . Exactly, NuLab kept the Tories out of office by out-Torying the Tories on some issues. A better name for New Labour would have been Tory-Lite. And it wasn't just NuLab that kept the Troies out of office, it was a largely unprecedented period of global economic stability. See2 is fond of blaming NuLabs downfall on the "Global Financial Crisis" (that just about every other major economy navigated better than NuLab), but never gives the prior period of global financial stability any recognition for keeping New Labour in office in the first place. All The Best |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 16, 2024 9:48:01 GMT
The Tories have never been 'hard right' .Thatcherism was as close as they got and even then Blair understood her capitalist policies had to be included in his plan of social cohesion . In short New Labour kept the Tories out of office because they were better at being Tories than the Tories ,they took the centre ground . Exactly, NuLab kept the Tories out of office by out-Torying the Tories on some issues. A better name for New Labour would have been Tory-Lite. And it wasn't just NuLab that kept the Troies out of office, it was a largely unprecedented period of global economic stability. See2 is fond of blaming NuLabs downfall on the "Global Financial Crisis" (that just about every other major economy navigated better than NuLab), but never gives the prior period of global financial stability any recognition for keeping New Labour in office in the first place. All The Best Take see2 with a pinch of salt, if the Tories would have been in office the time of the Global Financial Crisis see2 would be blaming them for causing the Global crisis, just like he blames them for a Global pandemic COVID, it's the Tories fault the COVID happened and we were the only country that people died because of it, and it was all Boris Johnson and the Tories to blame, he's just you typical political point scoring lefty. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 16, 2024 9:56:13 GMT
Exactly, NuLab kept the Tories out of office by out-Torying the Tories on some issues. A better name for New Labour would have been Tory-Lite. And it wasn't just NuLab that kept the Troies out of office, it was a largely unprecedented period of global economic stability. See2 is fond of blaming NuLabs downfall on the "Global Financial Crisis" (that just about every other major economy navigated better than NuLab), but never gives the prior period of global financial stability any recognition for keeping New Labour in office in the first place. All The Best Take see2 with a pinch of salt, if the Tories would have been in office the time of the Global Financial Crisis see2 would be blaming them for causing the Global crisis, just like he blames them for a Global pandemic COVID, it's the Tories fault the COVID happened and we were the only country that people died because of it, and it was all Boris Johnson and the Tories to blame, he's just you typical political point scoring lefty. I am well aware of see2's obsequious fawning over all things NuLab and Tony Blair and Gordon Brown; how they never did any wrong (not even Brown's dumping of the Gold price by pre-announcing a sale of UK Gold Bullion). I do find it somewhat amusing that someone who routinely claims to be unbiased can be so biased that they just can't see how biased they are - I believe the correct term is Cognitive Dissonance. All The Best |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 16, 2024 10:11:56 GMT
Take see2 with a pinch of salt, if the Tories would have been in office the time of the Global Financial Crisis see2 would be blaming them for causing the Global crisis, just like he blames them for a Global pandemic COVID, it's the Tories fault the COVID happened and we were the only country that people died because of it, and it was all Boris Johnson and the Tories to blame, he's just you typical political point scoring lefty. I am well aware of see2's obsequious fawning over all things NuLab and Tony Blair and Gordon Brown; how they never did any wrong (not even Brown's dumping of the Gold price by pre-announcing a sale of UK Gold Bullion). I do find it somewhat amusing that someone who routinely claims to be unbiased can be so biased that they just can't see how biased they are - I believe the correct term is Cognitive Dissonance. All The Best What you will notice the ones on here who have backed Johnson/Tories, who didn't get everything right, are not so keen on supporting Sunak/Tories.
In many of our posts we are critics of Sunak/Tories, because we are being 'honest', however the same can't be said for Labour supporters on this forum, Angela Rayner is a clear example of the double standards on here, quite clearly she has not made any statement regarding her apparent 'capital gains tax avoidance'.
It's clear she is hiding something otherwise she would have made a statement denying any wrong doing, but the lefties on here are making all excuses under the sun for her, strangely Labour supporters are quite happy with Sunak/Tories wasting millions of our taxes housing illegal migrants, even to the point our own homeless do not have the same rights as illegal migrants, Liberal Sunak is probably more lefty than Starmer.
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 16, 2024 11:03:22 GMT
The electorate voted to leave the EU of that's what you mean. How's that going?Fucking brilliant mate that's how it is going......Never mind hh your grieving for your beloved EUSSR will diminish in time... Yeah and Watford are gonna win the premier league next season. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 16, 2024 11:09:07 GMT
Badenoch, Braverman or Mordaunt? Who Starmer fears most as next Tory leader
Behind the scenes I sense Mordaunt is probably favourite to replace Sunak, personally I'd go for Braverman. But would either of them want to be leader? They are both very competent and would make good prime ministers, as would Badenoch probably. But whoever takes over as leader after the next election will almost certainly not become prime minister five years later. Anyone who has serious ambitions to become Conservative prime minister in 2029 may be better off keeping their powder dry for now, and lets not forget Boris is not out of the equation. |
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Post by ratcliff on Mar 16, 2024 11:11:44 GMT
New Labour kept the Tories out of office for the longest period in their history, that says a lot for politics staying clear of hard right politics. The Tories have never been 'hard right' .Thatcherism was as close as they got and even then Blair understood her capitalist policies had to be included in his plan of social cohesion . In short New Labour kept the Tories out of office because they were better at being Tories than the Tories ,they took the centre ground . Its why they were called New Labour , just plain old Labour of Foot and Kinnock couldn't get into power . Indeed it was how the Tories returned to power with first Brown and then Milliband moving Labour back to toward its socialist roots ,a job completed by the Marxist Corbyn So where does Labour cica 2024 sit ? Right wingers are often accused of looking back , of wanting a Britain long gone yet through Tory incompetence we could end up with a 'progressive' labour party Britain has rejected since 1974 . True , Tories have never been anything even remotely hard right , Mrs Thatcher was ''right'' at most These days they are positively centre left |
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 16, 2024 11:19:36 GMT
The Tories have never been 'hard right' .Thatcherism was as close as they got and even then Blair understood her capitalist policies had to be included in his plan of social cohesion . In short New Labour kept the Tories out of office because they were better at being Tories than the Tories ,they took the centre ground . Its why they were called New Labour , just plain old Labour of Foot and Kinnock couldn't get into power . Indeed it was how the Tories returned to power with first Brown and then Milliband moving Labour back to toward its socialist roots ,a job completed by the Marxist Corbyn So where does Labour cica 2024 sit ? Right wingers are often accused of looking back , of wanting a Britain long gone yet through Tory incompetence we could end up with a 'progressive' labour party Britain has rejected since 1974 . True , Tories have never been anything even remotely hard right , Mrs Thatcher was ''right'' at most These days they are positively centre leftJust as well really, given how disastrous Truss's 50 days of Right-Wing Economic Masturbation was for the whole country. All The Best |
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Post by witchfinder on Mar 16, 2024 11:40:37 GMT
Populism, in politics does not mean "popular because it all makes sense", in fact quite the opposite, in fact political populism has damaged modern politics, and is sending politics out of focus.
What Lee Anderson said has not a single shred of truth in it, the Mayor of London IS NOT controlled by Islamists, and London has not been handed over to Khan's friends.
However, spewing out such shite, lies, garbbage, appeals to those with that kind of mindset, the typically working class, mainly uneducated groups who are somewhere between mildy to fanatically xenophobic.
In a typical pointless, meaningless and distastefull display of populism, the MP for Redcar "Jacob Young" (soon to be out of a job ) displayed to the world on social media that he was a Real Patriot in The House Of Commons on the day that Covid Deaths reached 100,000 people, because unlike anyone on the Labour benches, HE was wearing a Union Flag face mask.
The term "Populism" in modern day politics literally means saying or doing ANYTHING, which is popular to a "CERTAIN" section of society, in the United States "Populism" is frequently linked to "Trailer Trash" and Hillbillies ....... NEED I SAY ANY MORE. ?
But traditional, middle class, moderate Conservatives will not vote for a Trumpian style Tory Party
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