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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 15, 2024 19:47:06 GMT
I never voted for the lady But as I said, you knew what you were getting I kind of see your point... ...almost. But by your rationale knowing you are about to get raped should make it a less horrendous experience, and I doubt any of us would seriously put that forward as a cogent argument. All The Best I’m not entirely sure you do All along you’ve appeared to suggest i’m in favour of what she did What i am actually saying is like Tony Benn, like Dennis Skinner, like Paul Flynn my one time MP and utterly 100% unlike Blair, Cameron, or any of the current shower you could not be in any doubt as to what you would get if she were to get in. Particularly the turd currently getting a full salary to do half a job as my MP because the other half is devolved to FOUR people each getting about the same lied her fucking head off in 2017 and spent the next two years conspiring to undo what she swire she would respect a complete fucking Aubergine (if this site’s swear replacement system works as i think it does) And that is all i was saying. |
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Post by witchfinder on Mar 15, 2024 20:03:06 GMT
Why do posters believe that a Tory lurch to the Right would be something for Keir Starmer and Labour to fear ?
Posters are forgetting that a Conservative Party which lurches towards Populism WILL lose the Conservatives votes from the more traditional, moderate Conservative supporter. In particular in the Tory heartlands, in the Home Counties and the South.
This is precisely why the Lib Dems have high hopes for picking up seats in these areas, and for very good reason.
Yes, it is true that a Trumpian style Tory Party will attract some Labour voters, particularly in Red Wall seats, but such a Conservative Party will be distastefull to many Tory voters.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 15, 2024 20:08:33 GMT
Any move away from the left is a ‘ lurch to the right ‘ according to lefties .
Why would ordinary people not be attracted to populism.?...designed for the general public; non-specialist; non-intellectual.
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Post by sheepy on Mar 15, 2024 20:10:27 GMT
Well for the amusement, I gather like politicians they all say the same things, which is whoever you vote for you will be getting the same old bollox. Which is just backing what the majority have been saying for at least two decades.
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Post by sandypine on Mar 15, 2024 20:11:43 GMT
Why do posters believe that a Tory lurch to the Right would be something for Keir Starmer and Labour to fear ? Posters are forgetting that a Conservative Party which lurches towards Populism WILL lose the Conservatives votes from the more traditional, moderate Conservative supporter. In particular in the Tory heartlands, in the Home Counties and the South. This is precisely why the Lib Dems have high hopes for picking up seats in these areas, and for very good reason. Yes, it is true that a Trumpian style Tory Party will attract some Labour voters, particularly in Red Wall seats, but such a Conservative Party will be distastefull to many Tory voters. In a democratic society why would populism be a problem. All parties have been popular at one time or another and that is exactly how we have arrived at the current pass. What would be unpopular and distasteful to many Tories? |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 15, 2024 20:16:54 GMT
Why do posters believe that a Tory lurch to the Right would be something for Keir Starmer and Labour to fear ? Posters are forgetting that a Conservative Party which lurches towards Populism WILL lose the Conservatives votes from the more traditional, moderate Conservative supporter. In particular in the Tory heartlands, in the Home Counties and the South. This is precisely why the Lib Dems have high hopes for picking up seats in these areas, and for very good reason. Yes, it is true that a Trumpian style Tory Party will attract some Labour voters, particularly in Red Wall seats, but such a Conservative Party will be distastefull to many Tory voters. I've never understood how anyone, left or right, decides after losing an election that the solution is a more extreme version of the politics that the electorate has just rejected. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 15, 2024 20:25:06 GMT
Why do posters believe that a Tory lurch to the Right would be something for Keir Starmer and Labour to fear ? Posters are forgetting that a Conservative Party which lurches towards Populism WILL lose the Conservatives votes from the more traditional, moderate Conservative supporter. In particular in the Tory heartlands, in the Home Counties and the South. This is precisely why the Lib Dems have high hopes for picking up seats in these areas, and for very good reason. Yes, it is true that a Trumpian style Tory Party will attract some Labour voters, particularly in Red Wall seats, but such a Conservative Party will be distastefull to many Tory voters. how anyone, left or right, decides after losing an election that the solution is a more extreme version of the politics that the electorate has just rejected. Well is that not the normal stance for you hh? Did the electorate vote to leave the EUSSR? A simple yes or no will suffice... |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 15, 2024 20:35:27 GMT
The Tories were not extreme in the first place . They just didn’t deliver on their post Brexit rhetoric .
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 15, 2024 20:35:47 GMT
I never understood how anyone could ever vote for more of the same. More of the same they've been moaning about forever. I don't understand how they believe maintaining managed decline is aspirational to the electorate. Voting
Labour isn't going to be any different from this current conservative crop. Although, you will get dollops of identity politics added on for virtue signalling measure, in addition to low growth,
low productivity and high taxes. Yes, I can't think why one would want to broaden the democratic options available to people, unless they were content with a very narrow and restrictive choice of options that make them happy.
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Post by Dogburger on Mar 15, 2024 20:43:35 GMT
Why do posters believe that a Tory lurch to the Right would be something for Keir Starmer and Labour to fear ? Posters are forgetting that a Conservative Party which lurches towards Populism WILL lose the Conservatives votes from the more traditional, moderate Conservative supporter. In particular in the Tory heartlands, in the Home Counties and the South. This is precisely why the Lib Dems have high hopes for picking up seats in these areas, and for very good reason. Yes, it is true that a Trumpian style Tory Party will attract some Labour voters, particularly in Red Wall seats, but such a Conservative Party will be distastefull to many Tory voters. I've never understood how anyone, left or right, decides after losing an election that the solution is a more extreme version of the politics that the electorate has just rejected. To be fair I don't think anyone of the right wants the tory party anywhere near it . Its been its constant wavering that way that has stopped the progress of right wing politics . They stopped UKIP with the referendum and they stopped the Brexit party with Johnsons 'get Brexit done ' in 2019 and I dare say they will try and stop Reform with some promise or another and promoting a rightish campaign . To be honest I just wish they would feck off back into the centre ground with Starmer and let the right stand or fall on its own merits |
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Post by see2 on Mar 15, 2024 21:53:55 GMT
I think the Blair creature was a Thatcher simp . Praising Thatcher is merely an admission that even watered down socialism doesn’t work. Starmer/Blair just cherry pick the bits they like about Thatcherism, the bits they like have made them wealthy, but the irony those same bits form the basis of their anti-Tory crusade, their Manifestos are built around anti-Thatcherism, which is why Labour are now dubbed the double standard hypocrite party. In the twisted imagination of Righties like yourself that is. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 15, 2024 21:58:25 GMT
I've never understood how anyone, left or right, decides after losing an election that the solution is a more extreme version of the politics that the electorate has just rejected. To be fair I don't think anyone of the right wants the tory party anywhere near it . Its been its constant wavering that way that has stopped the progress of right wing politics . They stopped UKIP with the referendum and they stopped the Brexit party with Johnsons 'get Brexit done ' in 2019 and I dare say they will try and stop Reform with some promise or another and promoting a rightish campaign . To be honest I just wish they would feck off back into the centre ground with Starmer and let the right stand or fall on its own merits New Labour kept the Tories out of office for the longest period in their history, that says a lot for politics staying clear of hard right politics. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 15, 2024 22:04:40 GMT
I never understood how anyone could ever vote for more of the same. More of the same they've been moaning about forever. I don't understand how they believe maintaining managed decline is aspirational to the electorate. Voting Labour isn't going to be any different from this current conservative crop. Although, you will get dollops of identity politics added on for virtue signalling measure, in addition to low growth,
low productivity and high taxes. Yes, I can't think why one would want to broaden the democratic options available to people, unless they were content with a very narrow and restrictive choice of options that make them happy. Your highlighted comment is nonsense. And the rest of your post is all about you and your prejudiced position. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 15, 2024 22:19:05 GMT
Why do posters believe that a Tory lurch to the Right would be something for Keir Starmer and Labour to fear ? Posters are forgetting that a Conservative Party which lurches towards Populism WILL lose the Conservatives votes from the more traditional, moderate Conservative supporter. In particular in the Tory heartlands, in the Home Counties and the South. You keep saying this but precisely the opposite is happening in real life. It is the current lurch to the left and the embrace of New Labour policies that has led to the Conservatives being on the brink of extermination. If being a progressive left wing party was a vote winner for the Tories they would not be in their present predicament. |
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 15, 2024 23:11:40 GMT
I never understood how anyone could ever vote for more of the same. More of the same they've been moaning about forever. I don't understand how they believe maintaining managed decline is aspirational to the electorate. Voting Labour isn't going to be any different from this current conservative crop. Although, you will get dollops of identity politics added on for virtue signalling measure, in addition to low growth,
low productivity and high taxes. Yes, I can't think why one would want to broaden the democratic options available to people, unless they were content with a very narrow and restrictive choice of options that make them happy. Your highlighted comment is nonsense. And the rest of your post is all about you and your prejudiced position. Your post is like chewing gum stuck to the bottom of a shoe. It has no point in being there, and should be discarded for its annoying existence. |
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