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Post by sheepy on Feb 24, 2024 12:45:34 GMT
From 1914 to 1948 residents of British colonies were British subjects not citizens. Between 1948 and 1982 they were deemed to be Citizens of the United Kingdom and its colonies (CUKC). With the passage of the BNA 81 those CUKCs with the right of abode in the UK could become British citizens, if they took the trouble to apply. As the Windrush Scandal showed many didn't bother. Those that didn't became citizens of wherever they already were.
If you have a passport issued before 1982 you will see yourself described as a 'British Subject and CUKC'. One issued after that date will show you as a 'British Citizen' (if you qualify).
You can spin it how you want to, but the bottom line is that most black people who came here from the Caribbean were born British people, and lived with a culture largely influenced by Britain. They were invited to come here, they believed that the "Mother Country" needed them to help out, to rebuild the country after the Second World War, to fill vaccancies. They were not freeloaders, not here for benefits, they were not foreign nationals, they did not come here to force their way of life upon us, or any of the other pathetic charges often leveled at immigrants from the Commonwealth or Colonies. I am not spinning anything as it sounded suspiciously like, what happened in the Midlands and the North where one ethnic group thought it was fine to discriminate against another. where large groups from places such as Pakistan thought grooming other ethnic groups was fine. While the Westminster party did their upmost to cover it up, so we had to make a point of what assholes they all are. Not saying you are an asshole of course just getting clarification on whether you might be. |
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Post by ratcliff on Feb 24, 2024 12:48:56 GMT
Then they aren't from here, they are from the Caribbean. The answer of an Ignoramous Black people who were born in St Lucia, Jamaica, Barbados were born as British people under the Union Flag, their language was English, they sang "God Save The King" ( or Queen ), many went to Church, and many fought for this country in two World Wars. Your answer is an outstanding example of open Bigotry, perhaps it ought to be framed and put on a wall as an example of the worst side of British attitudes. If I (born in England ) moved to somewhere like St Lucia , Jamaica, Barbados do you really think the 'locals' would not see (and treat) me as different from them? |
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Post by witchfinder on Feb 24, 2024 13:05:50 GMT
If you went to any former British colony in The Caribbean, you most certainly would not be treated how a great many Caribbean people were treated here for many years, you would not be refused service in shops, bars or businesses.
The Caribbean is generally more Multi-cultural than the UK, with many places such as Guyanna and Barbados having substantial minorities ( thanks to Britain ), with white people of British and European origin, Asians mostly originating from the sub continent.
People mostly get on and they accept they are what they are, and who they are, thanks to British history and the British Empire.
HOwever, there is SOME resentlment amongst a minority, people who wont let go of the distant past and slavery.
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Post by Orac on Feb 24, 2024 13:10:08 GMT
Then they aren't from here, they are from the Caribbean. The answer of an Ignoramous Black people who were born in St Lucia, Jamaica, Barbados were born as British people under the Union Flag, their language was English, they sang "God Save The King" ( or Queen ), many went to Church, and many fought for this country in two World Wars. Your answer is an outstanding example of open Bigotry, perhaps it ought to be framed and put on a wall as an example of the worst side of British attitudes. It fair boggles the mind that you are having genuinely difficulty understanding something a seven year-old could easily grasp. They are from the Caribbean - ie they came from somewhere else. This has nothing to do with 'British attitudes' - it's just the way the world works everywhere. |
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Post by patman post on Feb 24, 2024 13:28:04 GMT
The answer of an Ignoramous Black people who were born in St Lucia, Jamaica, Barbados were born as British people under the Union Flag, their language was English, they sang "God Save The King" ( or Queen ), many went to Church, and many fought for this country in two World Wars. Your answer is an outstanding example of open Bigotry, perhaps it ought to be framed and put on a wall as an example of the worst side of British attitudes. If I (born in England ) moved to somewhere like St Lucia , Jamaica, Barbados do you really think the 'locals' would not see (and treat) me as different from them? My observations lead me to believe that how you would be treated depends on how you behave and treat those in the society you are joining.
St Lucia and Barbados would likely be the most accepting, whereas in Jamaica the locals would be more inclined to class/judge you by how closely you resemble the skin colour, wealth and status of those they are familiar with...
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 24, 2024 13:33:17 GMT
Yet more deviation from fact and reality The fact is that post war, 1946 onwards, black immigrants faced utterly appaling and widespread discrimination in every aspect of life, from jobs and housing, in the streets and bars, and in schools and factories. It has taken over 70 years to get to where we now are, a much better place, but black people have had to fight and struggle to get here, aided by successive governments, who first of all made discrimination illegal with several Race Relations Acts of Parliament. The white working class were some of the worst when it came to discrimination and bigotry, and there can be found MANY examples in 20th century history of workers and Trade Unions openly supporting such things as "Colour bars", probably the most famous resulted in The Bristol Bus Boycott. The Labour Party in recent history has sought ways to make society more equal, where merit should be the only consideration. However, the considerable disparity in opportunities for minorities has called for measures to rid society of those disparities. When Public Inquiries in the 1980s asked why many areas of society, and many institutions were overwhelmingly white, and did not reflect the local or national population, those institutions such as The Metropolitan Police were forced to act. and please dont give us some Bull Shit about the police employed the best people for the job, because thats simply not true, its rubbish. Institutions like the Metropolitan Police were racist, and they purposely employed an almost white only police force. If Britain and its people had had a different attitude to OUR people from the Caribbean who came here, then perhaps a lot of the problems we have had with society would never have occured. Gosh you make it sound just awful, a veritable hell-on-earth.
It does make you wonder why they came in such great numbers, and even more so why they stayed when the terrible truth became apparent. Not only were the natives openly hostile (and apparently many still are) but the streets weren't even paved with gold.
And yet they came, in their millions, and still are coming.
One of life's eternal mysteries.
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Post by Bentley on Feb 24, 2024 13:35:18 GMT
The answer of a simpleton. If all people from China became officially British then any difference between Chinese and British people would be a racist construct …right? [br What about them from Hong Kong are they not British? You do know the difference between if and fact don't you. Once again , doofus missed the point . |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 24, 2024 13:38:55 GMT
You can spin it how you want to, but the bottom line is that most black people who came here from the Caribbean were born British people, and lived with a culture largely influenced by Britain. They were invited to come here, they believed that the "Mother Country" needed them to help out, to rebuild the country after the Second World War, to fill vaccancies. They were not freeloaders, not her own for benefits, they were not foreign nationals, they did not come here to force their way of life upon us, or any of the other pathetic charges often leveled at immigrants from the Commonwealth or Colonies. I am not spinning anything as it sounded suspiciously like, what happened in the Midlands and the North where one ethnic group thought it was fine to discriminate against another. where large groups from places such as Pakistan thought grooming other ethnic groups was fine. While the Westminster party did their upmost to cover it up, so we had to make a point of what assholes they all are. Not saying you are an asshole of course just getting clarification on whether you might be. While the Westminster party did their upmost to cover it up What cover up i admit there was cover up by Councils many labour contral By the police what the latest report into grooming aimed criritism at police For the way they treated the white working class Girls. This Government seeking to please right wingers with The illegal deportation of Asylum Seekers. And putting the white British girls on the back burner . That's where the real. Cover up Is |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 24, 2024 13:39:04 GMT
[br What about them from Hong Kong are they not British? You do know the difference between if and fact don't you. Funnily enough TTL where I live there’s been a sizeable influx from HK and they went out of their way to introduce themselves to the community. Same here. We've had an influx of HK Chinese and they've revitalised the town and done their very best to integrate. |
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Post by witchfinder on Feb 24, 2024 13:40:52 GMT
The answer of an Ignoramous Black people who were born in St Lucia, Jamaica, Barbados were born as British people under the Union Flag, their language was English, they sang "God Save The King" ( or Queen ), many went to Church, and many fought for this country in two World Wars. Your answer is an outstanding example of open Bigotry, perhaps it ought to be framed and put on a wall as an example of the worst side of British attitudes. It fair boggles the mind that you are having genuinely difficulty understanding something a seven year-old could easily grasp. They are from the Caribbean - ie they came from somewhere else. Yes, and a Londoner could say that a person from Aberdeen is from somewhere else, and a Cornishman could say that someone from Belfast is from somewhere else, and why would it matter. ? |
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Post by Orac on Feb 24, 2024 13:41:29 GMT
Yet more deviation from fact and reality The fact is that post war, 1946 onwards, black immigrants faced utterly appaling and widespread discrimination in every aspect of life, from jobs and housing, in the streets and bars, and in schools and factories. It has taken over 70 years to get to where we now are, a much better place, but black people have had to fight and struggle to get here, aided by successive governments, who first of all made discrimination illegal with several Race Relations Acts of Parliament. The white working class were some of the worst when it came to discrimination and bigotry, and there can be found MANY examples in 20th century history of workers and Trade Unions openly supporting such things as "Colour bars", probably the most famous resulted in The Bristol Bus Boycott. The Labour Party in recent history has sought ways to make society more equal, where merit should be the only consideration. However, the considerable disparity in opportunities for minorities has called for measures to rid society of those disparities. When Public Inquiries in the 1980s asked why many areas of society, and many institutions were overwhelmingly white, and did not reflect the local or national population, those institutions such as The Metropolitan Police were forced to act. and please dont give us some Bull Shit about the police employed the best people for the job, because thats simply not true, its rubbish. Institutions like the Metropolitan Police were racist, and they purposely employed an almost white only police force. If Britain and its people had had a different attitude to OUR people from the Caribbean who came here, then perhaps a lot of the problems we have had with society would never have occured. Gosh you make it sound just awful, a veritable hell-on-earth.
It does make you wonder why they came in such great numbers, and even more so why they stayed when the terrible truth became apparent. Not only were the natives openly hostile (and apparently many still are) but the streets weren't even paved with gold.
And yet they came, in their millions, and still are coming.
One of life's eternal mysteries.
It's hard to imagine why so many voluntarily subject themselves to the racist torture chamber of British society. Perhaps they are sacrificing themselves in the name of diversity? |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 24, 2024 13:53:01 GMT
Yet more deviation from fact and reality The fact is that post war, 1946 onwards, black immigrants faced utterly appaling and widespread discrimination in every aspect of life, from jobs and housing, in the streets and bars, and in schools and factories. It has taken over 70 years to get to where we now are, a much better place, but black people have had to fight and struggle to get here, aided by successive governments, who first of all made discrimination illegal with several Race Relations Acts of Parliament. The white working class were some of the worst when it came to discrimination and bigotry, and there can be found MANY examples in 20th century history of workers and Trade Unions openly supporting such things as "Colour bars", probably the most famous resulted in The Bristol Bus Boycott. The Labour Party in recent history has sought ways to make society more equal, where merit should be the only consideration. However, the considerable disparity in opportunities for minorities has called for measures to rid society of those disparities. When Public Inquiries in the 1980s asked why many areas of society, and many institutions were overwhelmingly white, and did not reflect the local or national population, those institutions such as The Metropolitan Police were forced to act. and please dont give us some Bull Shit about the police employed the best people for the job, because thats simply not true, its rubbish. Institutions like the Metropolitan Police were racist, and they purposely employed an almost white only police force. If Britain and its people had had a different attitude to OUR people from the Caribbean who came here, then perhaps a lot of the problems we have had with society would never have occured. Gosh you make it sound just awful, a veritable hell-on-earth.
It does make you wonder why they came in such great numbers, and even more so why they stayed when the terrible truth became apparent. Not only were the natives openly hostile (and apparently many still are) but the streets weren't even paved with gold.
And yet they came, in their millions, and still are coming.
One of life's eternal mysteries.
Like like most places in the world immigration is attractive to wealthy Country's. Whether there a hostail environment or not and you proven that by saying Asylum seekers come here because we're not has hostile has France There many more immigrates I'n France then in Britain. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 24, 2024 14:01:52 GMT
...those institutions such as The Metropolitan Police were forced to act. and please dont give us some Bull Shit about the police employed the best people for the job, because thats simply not true, its rubbish. Institutions like the Metropolitan Police were racist, and they purposely employed an almost white only police force. If Britain and its people had had a different attitude to OUR people from the Caribbean who came here, then perhaps a lot of the problems we have had with society would never have occured. Meanwhile, back in the real world...  |
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Post by Orac on Feb 24, 2024 14:03:19 GMT
Gosh you make it sound just awful, a veritable hell-on-earth.
It does make you wonder why they came in such great numbers, and even more so why they stayed when the terrible truth became apparent. Not only were the natives openly hostile (and apparently many still are) but the streets weren't even paved with gold.
And yet they came, in their millions, and still are coming.
One of life's eternal mysteries.
Like like most places in the world immigration is attractive to wealthy Sure. If faced with the choice between living in a broken, dysfunctional society run by your own people or moving to a wealthy, functioning society run by someone else, many will opt for the latter. Of course, when these people arrive and are settled, they can use the liberties afforded them by this functioning society to start whining about how your people don't run everything and that things are not done in the same way as they are back in your homeland. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 24, 2024 14:06:10 GMT
It fair boggles the mind that you are having genuinely difficulty understanding something a seven year-old could easily grasp. They are from the Caribbean - ie they came from somewhere else. Yes, and a Londoner could say that a person from Aberdeen is from somewhere else, and a Cornishman could say that someone from Belfast is from somewhere else, and why would it matter. ? It wouldn't matter unless you had some kind of hysterical fixation about this group not identifying as themselves |
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