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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 23, 2024 11:06:48 GMT
From Suella Braverman: They started with the Jews; there were stern words of disapproval from the top but things only got worse. The Islamist cranks and Left-wing extremists then took control of the streets; the police looked meekly on. They harassed teachers through the courts; our human rights and equalities laws were used against us. They threatened to kill an MP; he decided, justifiably, to leave public life. A respected peer, Lord Austin spoke out against terrorism and Islamism; he was suspended from a job he loves. They have hijacked a by-election in a deprived town in northern England. We see their influence in our judiciary, our legal profession and our universities.
And then they came for Parliament. On a day when Keir Starmer should have shown strength of character, he bowed to the mob, abused his position, and undermined the integrity of Parliament. Conventions cast aside, the Speaker’s legitimacy destroyed, and democracy denied. Trust was shattered by Starmer’s grubby backroom deal. The mask has slipped: in hock to the Islamists, he is responsible for one of the most shameful days of our democracy. By effectively taking the Speaker hostage, he brought Parliament into disrepute. This is the behaviour of tyrants. Just imagine what Starmer would do as Prime Minister.www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/22/islamists-are-bullying-britain-into-submission/Well said Suella Braverman, an excellent article. Weak lefties and aggressive minorities will of course publicly scoff, but behind closed doors they know damned well what she says is perfectly true. Appeasment does not work, yet we continue to appease aggressive minorities. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 23, 2024 11:15:43 GMT
Why do you think they are all heading to the UK, because we are a push over, within ten years the serving government will be completely Muslim.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 23, 2024 11:19:12 GMT
Why do you think they are all heading to the UK, because we are a push over, within ten years the serving government will be completely Muslim. If you write to starmer he will issue you with a prayer mat if you ask him..... all free of charge of course and paid for by the tax payers... |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 23, 2024 11:22:21 GMT
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 23, 2024 11:27:54 GMT
Why do you think they are all heading to the UK, because we are a push over, within ten years the serving government will be completely Muslim. If you write to starmer he will issue you with a prayer mat if you ask him..... all free of charge of course and paid for by the tax payers... Thanks to the desperate lefty Labour needing votes, they've encouraged mass migration of Muslims, now there is enough of them they can now actually go in opposition to Labour, the daft dumb fuckin stupid arse licking Labour didn't realise this was going to happen.
The Muslims have been laughing their heads off at the lapdog Labour bending over backwards for them, Labour abandoning it's white working class voters in favour of the Muslim votes, well they are going to get their just deserts.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 23, 2024 11:32:06 GMT
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 23, 2024 11:38:09 GMT
God help her for having the balls to say it.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 23, 2024 11:40:14 GMT
God help here for having the balls to say it. I am sure the threats will start to roll in mate... |
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Post by witchfinder on Feb 23, 2024 11:42:06 GMT
Suella Braverman speaks utter bullshit
We have a situation where a bunch of terrorists murdered a thousand innocent Israelis, and the response from Israel is to severely punish the entire population of Gaza ( 2.5 Million people ).
I would expect many, or most Jews to back the actions of Israel, and I would also expect that most, if not all Muslims would criticise Israel for its response.
There is a long held and very widely held belief that it is the ultimate goal of Israel to eventually possess all the lands that they consider as Israel, including the illegally occupied lands, The West Bank and Gaza, including illegally occupied East Jerusalem.
This widely held belief appears to be true, bearing in mind the historical actions of Israel, annexation, occupation, intimidation and ceasure of Palestinian land by settlers.
Those of us with common sense, argue that those lands which ARE and which WERE until recently mostly populated by Palesinians, ought to be given up by Israel for the purpose of creating a Palestinian state, and that MOST of Israel should be the homeland that the Jewish people have always wanted.
The Labour candidate in Rochdale who was rightly suspended from the party, made a statement which may, or may not be true, he suggested that the actions of Israel were a colossal over-reaction, and he repeated a much broadcast story that states that Israel is pursuing its long held aim ( to rid its lands of Palestinians ), by using the terror attack on October 7th as an excuse to further its End Goal.
The theory IS PLAUSIBLE, however people in responsible positions should not make unsubstantiated statements, or spread theories without real evidence.
Suella Braverman sounds like she simply doesnt understand anything, she doesnt understand history, and she doesnt understand why sympathisers of the Palestinian people speak for a just cause. She is just another right wing Tory bigot, with a completely one sided view of things.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 23, 2024 11:44:17 GMT
Suella Braverman speaks utter bullshit We have a situation where a bunch of terrorists murdered a thousand innocent Israelis, and the response from Israel is to severely punish the entire population of Gaza ( 2.5 Million people ). I would expect many, or most Jews to back the actions of Israel, and I would also expect that most, if not all Muslims would criticise Israel for its response. There is a long held and very widely held belief that it is the ultimate goal of Israel to eventually possess all the lands that they consider as Israel, including the illegally occupied lands, The West Bank and Gaza, including illegally occupied East Jerusalem. This widely held belief appears to be true, bearing in mind the historical actions of Israel, annexation, occupation, intimidation and ceasure of Palestinian land by settlers. Those of us with common sense, argue that those lands which ARE and which WERE until recently mostly populated by Palesinians, ought to be given up by Israel for the purpose of creating a Palestinian state, and that MOST of Israel should be the homeland that the Jewish people have always wanted. The Labour candidate in Rochdale who was rightly suspended from the party, made a statement which may, or may not be true, he suggested that the actions of Israel were a colossal over-reaction, and he repeated a much broadcast story that states that Israel is pursuing its long held aim ( to rid its lands of Palestinians ), by using the terror attack on October 7th as an excuse to further its End Goal. The theory IS PLAUSIBLE, however people in responsible positions should not make unsubstantiated statements, or spread theories without real evidence. Suella Braverman sounds like she simply doesnt understand anything, she doesnt understand history, and she doesnt understand why sympathisers of the Palestinian people speak for a just cause. She is just another right wing Tory bigot, with a completely one sided view of things.  |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 23, 2024 11:53:39 GMT
Suella Braverman speaks utter bullshit We have a situation where a bunch of terrorists murdered a thousand innocent Israelis, and the response from Israel is to severely punish the entire population of Gaza ( 2.5 Million people ). I would expect many, or most Jews to back the actions of Israel, and I would also expect that most, if not all Muslims would criticise Israel for its response. There is a long held and very widely held belief that it is the ultimate goal of Israel to eventually possess all the lands that they consider as Israel, including the illegally occupied lands, The West Bank and Gaza, including illegally occupied East Jerusalem. This widely held belief appears to be true, bearing in mind the historical actions of Israel, annexation, occupation, intimidation and ceasure of Palestinian land by settlers. Those of us with common sense, argue that those lands which ARE and which WERE until recently mostly populated by Palesinians, ought to be given up by Israel for the purpose of creating a Palestinian state, and that MOST of Israel should be the homeland that the Jewish people have always wanted. The Labour candidate in Rochdale who was rightly suspended from the party, made a statement which may, or may not be true, he suggested that the actions of Israel were a colossal over-reaction, and he repeated a much broadcast story that states that Israel is pursuing its long held aim ( to rid its lands of Palestinians ), by using the terror attack on October 7th as an excuse to further its End Goal. The theory IS PLAUSIBLE, however people in responsible positions should not make unsubstantiated statements, or spread theories without real evidence. Suella Braverman sounds like she simply doesnt understand anything, she doesnt understand history, and she doesnt understand why sympathisers of the Palestinian people speak for a just cause. She is just another right wing Tory bigot, with a completely one sided view of things.
She was simply pointing out exactly what has happened - militant Islam had threatened violence against Labour MP's for not voting in favour of a ceasefire in Gaza. Whether someone supports the Palestinians or the Jews is immaterial - threats of violence if you do not get your own way are unacceptable in a democracy. Although it seems that the Muslim community is now too large for democratic ideals to survive in the UK. |
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 23, 2024 12:06:06 GMT
Suella Braverman speaks utter bullshit We have a situation where a bunch of terrorists murdered a thousand innocent Israelis, and the response from Israel is to severely punish the entire population of Gaza ( 2.5 Million people ). I would expect many, or most Jews to back the actions of Israel, and I would also expect that most, if not all Muslims would criticise Israel for its response. There is a long held and very widely held belief that it is the ultimate goal of Israel to eventually possess all the lands that they consider as Israel, including the illegally occupied lands, The West Bank and Gaza, including illegally occupied East Jerusalem. This widely held belief appears to be true, bearing in mind the historical actions of Israel, annexation, occupation, intimidation and ceasure of Palestinian land by settlers. Those of us with common sense, argue that those lands which ARE and which WERE until recently mostly populated by Palesinians, ought to be given up by Israel for the purpose of creating a Palestinian state, and that MOST of Israel should be the homeland that the Jewish people have always wanted. The Labour candidate in Rochdale who was rightly suspended from the party, made a statement which may, or may not be true, he suggested that the actions of Israel were a colossal over-reaction, and he repeated a much broadcast story that states that Israel is pursuing its long held aim ( to rid its lands of Palestinians ), by using the terror attack on October 7th as an excuse to further its End Goal. The theory IS PLAUSIBLE, however people in responsible positions should not make unsubstantiated statements, or spread theories without real evidence. Suella Braverman sounds like she simply doesnt understand anything, she doesnt understand history, and she doesnt understand why sympathisers of the Palestinian people speak for a just cause. She is just another right wing Tory bigot, with a completely one sided view of things. "Widely held beliefs, plausible theory". The suspended Labour candidate inferred that Israel knew about the attacks and let it happen. Muslim conspiracy theory. It sounds like the premise of your whole post is conspiracy theory to me. |
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 23, 2024 12:07:29 GMT
Suella Braverman speaks utter bullshit We have a situation where a bunch of terrorists murdered a thousand innocent Israelis, and the response from Israel is to severely punish the entire population of Gaza ( 2.5 Million people ). I would expect many, or most Jews to back the actions of Israel, and I would also expect that most, if not all Muslims would criticise Israel for its response. There is a long held and very widely held belief that it is the ultimate goal of Israel to eventually possess all the lands that they consider as Israel, including the illegally occupied lands, The West Bank and Gaza, including illegally occupied East Jerusalem. This widely held belief appears to be true, bearing in mind the historical actions of Israel, annexation, occupation, intimidation and ceasure of Palestinian land by settlers. Those of us with common sense, argue that those lands which ARE and which WERE until recently mostly populated by Palesinians, ought to be given up by Israel for the purpose of creating a Palestinian state, and that MOST of Israel should be the homeland that the Jewish people have always wanted. The Labour candidate in Rochdale who was rightly suspended from the party, made a statement which may, or may not be true, he suggested that the actions of Israel were a colossal over-reaction, and he repeated a much broadcast story that states that Israel is pursuing its long held aim ( to rid its lands of Palestinians ), by using the terror attack on October 7th as an excuse to further its End Goal. The theory IS PLAUSIBLE, however people in responsible positions should not make unsubstantiated statements, or spread theories without real evidence. Suella Braverman sounds like she simply doesnt understand anything, she doesnt understand history, and she doesnt understand why sympathisers of the Palestinian people speak for a just cause. She is just another right wing Tory bigot, with a completely one sided view of things.
She was simply pointing out exactly what has happened - militant Islam had threatened violence against Labour MP's for not voting in favour of a ceasefire in Gaza. Whether someone supports the Palestinians or the Jews is immaterial - threats of violence if you do not get your own way are unacceptable in a democracy. Although it seems that the Muslim community is now too large for democratic ideals to survive in the UK. Well said. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 23, 2024 12:31:14 GMT
Suella Braverman speaks utter bullshit We have a situation where a bunch of terrorists murdered a thousand innocent Israelis, and the response from Israel is to severely punish the entire population of Gaza ( 2.5 Million people ). I would expect many, or most Jews to back the actions of Israel, and I would also expect that most, if not all Muslims would criticise Israel for its response. There is a long held and very widely held belief that it is the ultimate goal of Israel to eventually possess all the lands that they consider as Israel, including the illegally occupied lands, The West Bank and Gaza, including illegally occupied East Jerusalem. This widely held belief appears to be true, bearing in mind the historical actions of Israel, annexation, occupation, intimidation and ceasure of Palestinian land by settlers. Those of us with common sense, argue that those lands which ARE and which WERE until recently mostly populated by Palesinians, ought to be given up by Israel for the purpose of creating a Palestinian state, and that MOST of Israel should be the homeland that the Jewish people have always wanted. The Labour candidate in Rochdale who was rightly suspended from the party, made a statement which may, or may not be true, he suggested that the actions of Israel were a colossal over-reaction, and he repeated a much broadcast story that states that Israel is pursuing its long held aim ( to rid its lands of Palestinians ), by using the terror attack on October 7th as an excuse to further its End Goal. The theory IS PLAUSIBLE, however people in responsible positions should not make unsubstantiated statements, or spread theories without real evidence. Suella Braverman sounds like she simply doesnt understand anything, she doesnt understand history, and she doesnt understand why sympathisers of the Palestinian people speak for a just cause. She is just another right wing Tory bigot, with a completely one sided view of things. Nope, the bullshit is coming from you. |
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Post by witchfinder on Feb 23, 2024 12:44:57 GMT
Suella Braverman has vilified an entire faith, typical of the new breed of Tories who play more on culture wars than on ideas or policies to make the country and its people better off.
Point One: The vast majority of Britains Muslims are not extremists and would not resort to threataning MPs
Point Two: Many people who have strong feelings on the Gaza situation in this country ARE NOT Muslims
The war in Gaza has naturally brought out very strong and emotive feelings, on both sides of the argument, from the Israeli / Jewish perspective and from the Palestinian / Muslim perspective, and I can fully understand why many people in this country demand an immediate ceasefire.
Yes, Suella Braverman is correct to condemn violence, intimidation, threats of violence etc, but she has done it in such a way as to blame all British Muslims. She COULD HAVE used different words, she COULD HAVE reminded people in her hate speech that most Muslims are perfectly peacefull and law abiding citizens.
She's playing games
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