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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2024 21:55:20 GMT
I rather leave him if his hatred is justified by killingb people he dosent like. He my opinion he's not better then a terrorist sympathyer " Ad hominem arguments are not allowed."
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Post by Vinny on Feb 22, 2024 22:08:21 GMT
1998 Crosse and Blackwell's Peterhead factory closed (Labour were in power).
1999 Vickers tank factory at Leeds closed (Labour were in power).
2000 Ford Dagenham ended car production (Labour were in power).
2002 Royal Ordnance Factory at Blackburn ended production (Labour were in power).
2004 Samsung closed its Teeside plant (Labour were in power).
2005 Terry's of York ended chocolate production in the country. They had produced chocolate here since 1767 (Labour were in power).
2005 Rover collapsed (Labour were in power).
2006 Car part manufacturer Trelleborg closed their factory at Trowbridge and moved production to Romania (Labour were in power).
2006 Peugeot Ryton ended car production (Labour were in power).
2010 Corus steel Redcar closed (Labour were in power), furnace relit 2012 but closed again in 2015, now demolished.
2010 Cadbury Somerdale plant closure announced with production moving to Poland (Labour were in power at the time of the announcement).
Despite sale to Kraft (now Mondelez) on the basis that the Somerdale plant would not close, it was announced that too much equipment had already been moved to Poland and the plant closed anyway.
2012 Ford Transit production ended at Southampton (Tories were in power).
2012 Vickers Scotswood closed (Tories were in power).
Common to all of these, we were in the EU.
Thousands and thousands of jobs were lost.
The tax cost to the economy was phenomenal.
And we couldn't negotiate our own FTAs, set our own tariffs or even decide our own policies regarding VAT.
Do you want the poorest to pay the most tax? That's what was happening when we were members.
Even tampons were deemed luxuries and taxed.
It wasn't working.
Be glad that we're free.
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 22, 2024 22:45:25 GMT
I rather leave him if his hatred is justified by killingb people he dosent like. He my opinion he's not better then a terrorist sympathyer " Ad hominem arguments are not allowed."
Do you think.that rule apply to iohn Who said this before my comment what the hell are you smoking and can i buy some Why have you missed that out? Don't you think we're both Gulty has charged ? |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 22, 2024 23:10:04 GMT
I note that you have ignored the industrial decline which occurred under Labour.
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 22, 2024 23:17:53 GMT
I note that you have ignored the industrial decline which occurred under Labour. Oh so it's not EU fault now is it ? That's good. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 22, 2024 23:44:21 GMT
I note that you have ignored the industrial decline which occurred under Labour. How much of that was during the world -wide reccession UK manufacturing output peaks in 2007 |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 23, 2024 0:58:35 GMT
None of that was. See the dates I posted. Additionally HP Sauce production moved to the Netherlands in August 2007. This was planned well in advance of the late August 2007 credit crunch and 2008-09 recession. In 2000 Massey Ferguson closed their Coventry tractor plant with the loss of 1800 jobs.
In 2012 the Knowlsey Sonae chipboard factory closed 220 jobs went.
Between 2000 and 2010, 50 paper mills closed.
Most of Scotland's Aluminium smelters closed.
Membership was a disaster.
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 23, 2024 1:52:21 GMT
None of that was. See the dates I posted. Additionally HP Sauce production moved to the Netherlands in August 2007. This was planned well in advance of the late August 2007 credit crunch and 2008-09 recession. In 2000 Massey Ferguson closed their Coventry tractor plant with the loss of 1800 jobs.
In 2012 the Knowlsey Sonae chipboard factory closed 220 jobs went.
Between 2000 and 2010, 50 paper mills closed.
Most of Scotland's Aluminium smelters closed.
Membership was a disaster.
Vjnny you do know what peak means don't you . UK manufacturing output peaks in 2007 But more output means more production You being A keen supporter of no Benifit to the Country Brexit Should understand stand that |
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Post by borchester on Feb 23, 2024 6:46:48 GMT
I know little know we had more Concertive Government The miscalculation labour made in 2004 is starkly revealed in the guardian article above. It's actually quite frightening how unfit for government , and how badly they misjudged the ten new countries joining the eu , and the predictions of a mere 13 000 migrants per annum coming to the uk . Instead , immigration quadrupled , with millions coming under new labour. what a topic for you to bring up , and what a hill to die on . Labours Achilles heel of immigration. Keir starmer must facepalm everytime you post on this forum. On the other hand, it could be said that Labour made such a success of the UK in both economic and social terms, that four times as many people wanted to come here.  |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 23, 2024 8:25:38 GMT
Leftie, leftie, leftie, just concede that you were wrong.
The high pound Europhiles thought was a good thing, was a factor in profound industrial decline and lead to far higher unemployment.
And immigration was used to undermine trade unionism to keep wages down.
Because, traditionally, when pay was shit, workers would strike.
Once we were in the EU they were told they didn't want to work and were replaced by cheap labour from Eastern Europe who were happy to do it for a fraction of the cost because it was still better pay than they'd get at home.
That happened in agricultural jobs.
Trucking...
Traditional heavy industry, that was decimated.
Membership was an absolute failure.
And free movement was a failure.
The EU doesn't have a union wide minimum wage, it has economic Darwinism. It's a race to the bottom.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2024 13:19:35 GMT
" Ad hominem arguments are not allowed."
Do you think.that rule apply to iohn Who said this before my comment what the hell are you smoking and can i buy some Why have you missed that out? Don't you think we're both Gulty has charged ? He was mocking what you wrote, you are smearing him personally. Still, the forum's management is obviously happy with it, so I guess you have the green light.
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 23, 2024 13:29:46 GMT
Do you think.that rule apply to iohn Who said this before my comment what the hell are you smoking and can i buy some Why have you missed that out? Don't you think we're both Gulty has charged ? He was mocking what you wrote, you are smearing him personally. Still, the forum's management is obviously happy with it, so I guess you have the green light.
It seems you don't understand the rules You linked to. Additional Rules (Apply to Mind Zone only). - No swearing, be respectful at all times. - Avoid mocking/joking responses / images / one liners And you constantly break the real about Criticism of the Mods. After dwing told not to. I hope the Mods do Something about it. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 23, 2024 13:40:03 GMT
The miscalculation labour made in 2004 is starkly revealed in the guardian article above. It's actually quite frightening how unfit for government , and how badly they misjudged the ten new countries joining the eu , and the predictions of a mere 13 000 migrants per annum coming to the uk . Instead , immigration quadrupled , with millions coming under new labour. what a topic for you to bring up , and what a hill to die on . Labours Achilles heel of immigration. Keir starmer must facepalm everytime you post on this forum. On the other hand, it could be said that Labour made such a success of the UK in both economic and social terms, that four times as many people wanted to come here. This is another nugget of wisdom of yours borkie that doesn't stack up to an ounce of scrutiny. People will always want to go from poor countries , to richer countries , irrespective of the economic situation in that richer country. We see that both in the uk today , and across eu countries that are on the verge of , or in recession , but the numbers keep flooding in. Im intrigued though by your implication that mass immigration uncontrolled is a good thing in light of your political views as an anglo british brexiter. Why did you vote Brexit , to save for example English law , from European law , if you are happy for it to be replaced by sharia law? Why do we bother with national identity , parliaments , and arguments like Brexit or scot indy , if you are happy for your identity to be erased or replaced by mass uncontrolled immigration and become a citizen of nowhere ? Surely doing away with parliaments , democracy and borders , and handing control over to big global corporations , who would make a better job of running the economy than any politician would , would be a better idea for your viewpoint? Then you could watch humanity travel the planet , country by country , like a swarm of locusts , as they stripped one country before moving to the next. there's a reason why we have parliament , and cherish national identities , so that politicians keep the lid on big business , and provide checks and balance to them. As a tory brexiter ,if you aint bothered about mrs sunak next door , the upstanding pillar of peckhams community , why you bothered about fritz or Pierre if nothing else matters apart from big business having its whims satisfied through cheap labour on tap.? Its a strange one borkie? and largely why sunak is having such a bad time of it with the grassroots tories cause he cannae stop the boats. No native population in history of mankind has given up , or watered down its national identity without a fight. Clearly , by voting Brexit , neither are you ? |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 23, 2024 13:48:42 GMT
People will always want to go from poor countries , to richer countries , irrespective of the economic situation in that richer country. We see that both in the uk today , and across eu countries
That' explains why Scotland not got So many then .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2024 14:01:50 GMT
He was mocking what you wrote, you are smearing him personally. Still, the forum's management is obviously happy with it, so I guess you have the green light.
It seems you don't understand the rules You linked to. Additional Rules (Apply to Mind Zone only). - No swearing, be respectful at all times. - Avoid mocking/joking responses / images / one liners And you constantly break the real about Criticism of the Mods. After dwing told not to. I hope the Mods do Something about it. Going by the extreme ad-hominem attacks you've posted on Mind Zone I wouldn't be surprised if they did. However, I can only conclude, from your latest post, that you're clearly a special case where the rule set that is supposed to moderate Mind Zone doesn't apply. |
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