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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2024 12:37:20 GMT
yawn. Read the thread. Pacifico posted about labour. I joined in the debate. Your own opening post was a tacit turd polishing excercise about immigration to try (lol) and soften up forum members for a prospective new labour incoming government further flooding the uk with more mass uncontrolled immigration. As I said .What a hill to die on. Talk about a hill to die on pacifo Said we didn't leave the EU mid 2000 2016 js definitely mid 2000 lol. EU migration begain in Early 2000 in 2004 Did you understand the point pacifico was making in post two though? |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 21, 2024 12:52:45 GMT
Talk about a hill to die on pacifo Said we didn't leave the EU mid 2000 2016 js definitely mid 2000 lol. EU migration begain in Early 2000 in 2004 Did you understand the point pacifico was making in post two though? Yes that why I said we left the EU And he said Not in the mid 2000's we didn't  So he's not talking about stagnation Do you understand stand that point lol I love when a simple labour voter puts You loony right winger wrong 😂😂😂😂😶😂😂😂 |
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2024 13:03:00 GMT
Did you understand the point pacifico was making in post two though? Yes that why I said we left the EU No , I think you misunderstood his post lefty. He asked what happened to stall growth in GDP per capita mid 2000 . The mid 2000 is between the year 2000 , and 2010 . Clearly a reference to the new labour government years , and them opening the floodgates as per my article from around 2004 onwards. We left the EU officially in January 2020. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 21, 2024 14:43:25 GMT
Yes that why I said we left the EU No , I think you misunderstood his post lefty. He asked what happened to stall growth in GDP per capita mid 2000 . The mid 2000 is between the year 2000 , and 2010 . Clearly a reference to the new labour government years , and them opening the floodgates as per my article from around 2004 onwards. We left the EU officially in January 2020. No that's being but If that's the case we had more immigration don't you remember we had record number of immigrants in 22/23 so was they the reason for the hike and the population increased |
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2024 14:52:40 GMT
No , I think you misunderstood his post lefty. He asked what happened to stall growth in GDP per capita mid 2000 . The mid 2000 is between the year 2000 , and 2010 . Clearly a reference to the new labour government years , and them opening the floodgates as per my article from around 2004 onwards. We left the EU officially in January 2020. No that's being but If that's the case we had more immigration don't you remember we had record number of immigrants in 22/23 so was they the reason for the hike and the population increased the issue though that pacifico is addressing is specifically the flood of immigrants from the new European nations in 2004 under new labour. I would argue , further ing Pacificos point about GDP , that Tony Blairs major miscalculation in 2004 and onwards was a prime reason behind many folk voting to leave the EU in 2016. I pointed out the wider issue of the tories failing to control the borders post leaving the EU , which everyone accepts.This is specifically the non eu migration . The point is , though , no one is looking to labour with their past infamous record to solve immigration ,in or out of the EU hence why im. surprised you are bringing it up. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 21, 2024 15:20:32 GMT
No that's being but If that's the case we had more immigration don't you remember we had record number of immigrants in 22/23 so was they the reason for the hike and the population increased the issue though that pacifico is addressing is specifically the flood of immigrants from the new European nations in 2004 under new labour. I would argue , further ing Pacificos point about GDP , that Tony Blairs major miscalculation in 2004 and onwards was a prime reason behind many folk voting to leave the EU in 2016. I pointed out the wider issue of the tories failing to control the borders post leaving the EU , which everyone accepts.This is specifically the non eu migration . The point is , though , no one is looking to labour with their past infamous record to solve immigration ,in or out of the EU hence why im. surprised you are bringing it up. No clearly not the issue So that being case Fom stopped in 2020 so what was the reason of the hike them And we had records immigration in.2022/23 with the population growing It just doesn't add up |
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2024 15:23:52 GMT
the issue though that pacifico is addressing is specifically the flood of immigrants from the new European nations in 2004 under new labour. I would argue , further ing Pacificos point about GDP , that Tony Blairs major miscalculation in 2004 and onwards was a prime reason behind many folk voting to leave the EU in 2016. I pointed out the wider issue of the tories failing to control the borders post leaving the EU , which everyone accepts.This is specifically the non eu migration . The point is , though , no one is looking to labour with their past infamous record to solve immigration ,in or out of the EU hence why im. surprised you are bringing it up. No clearly not the issue So that being case Fom stopped in 2020 so what was the reason of the hike them And we had records immigration in.2022/23 with the population growing It just doesn't add up That wasn't Pacificos point though. There has always been EU freedom of movement , since 1992 I believe , and non EU migration. The Brexit vote stopped one , allegedly , but not the other , which has massively increased. The point about the 2004 increase was Tony Blair could have applied restrictions but didnt , and once again we point out most accept the tories have failed , but no one , I repeat no one trusts labour on the subject. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 21, 2024 16:07:56 GMT
It seems you right winger just like to pick a certain section of time and for get the other
Let's forget the peak of GDP due to immigration.
I would like to see the period before
2000 to make a far comparison
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2024 16:12:18 GMT
It seems you right winger just like to pick a certain section of time and for get the other Let's forget the peak of GDP due to immigration. I would like to see the period before 2000 to make a far comparison im not lefty. You didnt appear to understand Pacificos point , that's all. The point about 2004 was Tony Blair couldnt stop eu freedom of movement , but he exacerbated the problem by not applying the restrictions most other eu nations did on the new member states. Pacifico pointed out in reply to you GDP growth stalled from that point. have a look then , and present your evidence to pacifico. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 21, 2024 16:13:44 GMT
You seem to be presuming that all immigrants are good productive people with skills who all get jobs and all contribute to the economy. They're people. And in every walk of life there are good, bad, ugly, stupid, nasty, nice, caring, hating, people of all descriptions. And we do not need every type of person. Bad, stupid, nasty, hating people, and thieving people, violent people, they can fuck off. We have enough of our own and can't do enough about them. We don't need to import more. But we can import people with skills, people of good character, and we can import people who would be in mortal danger if they remained in their homeland. Immigration is a complex subject, but if you wish to talk about it in simple terms, we need a working visa system and quotas.
We're a small island with limited resources.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 21, 2024 16:15:59 GMT
Talk about a hill to die on pacifo Said we didn't leave the EU mid 2000 2016 js definitely mid 2000 lol. EU migration begain in Early 2000 in 2004 Did you understand the point pacifico was making in post two though? I dont think he did - but dont push it..  |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 21, 2024 17:02:57 GMT
It seems you right winger just like to pick a certain section of time and for get the other Let's forget the peak of GDP due to immigration. I would like to see the period before 2000 to make a far comparison im not lefty. You didnt appear to understand Pacificos point , that's all. The point about 2004 was Tony Blair couldnt stop eu freedom of movement , but he exacerbated the problem by not applying the restrictions most other eu nations did on the new member states. Pacifico pointed out in reply to you GDP growth stalled from that point. have a look then , and present your evidence to pacifico. OK I'm with with you tony didn't apply restrictions on new members. But still dosent change the fact after 2010 the graph Shown growth with. More Immigration. If anything the graph and pacifico proven me right no matter how you try to twist it. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 21, 2024 17:06:17 GMT
Did you understand the point pacifico was making in post two though? I dont think he did0 - but dont push it.. Just shown it so are you saying The GDP Didn't Grow after 2010 yes or no when there was more immigration |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 21, 2024 17:13:43 GMT
You seem to be presuming that all immigrants are good productive people with skills who all get jobs and all contribute to the economy. They're people. And in every walk of life there are good, bad, ugly, stupid, nasty, nice, caring, hating, people of all descriptions. And we do not need every type of person. Bad, stupid, nasty, hating people, and thieving people, violent people, they can fuck off. We have enough of our own and can't do enough about them. We don't need to import more. But we can import people with skills, people of good character, and we can import people who would be in mortal danger if they remained in their homeland. Immigration is a complex subject, but if you wish to talk about it in simple terms, we need a working visa system and quotas.
We're a small island with limited resources.
; Give me a good visa example how about Japan small island like us bigger population but not many immigrants. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2024 17:14:48 GMT
im not lefty. You didnt appear to understand Pacificos point , that's all. The point about 2004 was Tony Blair couldnt stop eu freedom of movement , but he exacerbated the problem by not applying the restrictions most other eu nations did on the new member states. Pacifico pointed out in reply to you GDP growth stalled from that point. have a look then , and present your evidence to pacifico. OK I'm with with you tony didn't apply restrictions on new members. But still dosent change the fact after 2010 the graph Shown growth with. More Immigration. If anything the graph and pacifico proven me right no matter how you try to twist it. im not trying to twist anything. Ive helpfully tried to help you understand Pacificos point. Immigration is a non starter for labour ,no matte how hard you polish it , and If I were you , I would steer clear of the topic. just my opinion. |
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