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Post by Totheleft on Feb 21, 2024 17:19:00 GMT
OK I'm with with you tony didn't apply restrictions on new members. But still dosent change the fact after 2010 the graph Shown growth with. More Immigration. If anything the graph and pacifico proven me right no matter how you try to twist it. im not trying to twist anything. Ive helpfully tried to help you understand Pacificos point. Immigration is a non starter for labour ,no matte how hard you polish it , and If I were you , I would steer clear of the topic. just my opinion. dose the graph so growth yes or no Thomas I'm trying to Polish anything just teying to.get the truth. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2024 17:31:48 GMT
im not trying to twist anything. Ive helpfully tried to help you understand Pacificos point. Immigration is a non starter for labour ,no matte how hard you polish it , and If I were you , I would steer clear of the topic. just my opinion. dose the graph so growth yes or no Thomas I'm trying to Polish anything just teying to.get the truth. ...but doesn't the graph show a stall in growth around Blairs decision to open the floodgates , and is any further growth because of , or in spite of , or in part to do with immigration ? As people are saying , it's not just a simple case of counting immigrant taxes , and them doing jobs others may not want to. The cohesiveness of society , housing. , infrastructure schooling and much else including using the nhs has to be taken into any consideration on costs and benefits. Immigration is a toxic subject , and you can't simply say its all down to racism when many of the voices against appear to be largely mainstream and reasonable people . I would argue most folk accept the need for slight controlled immigration from similar countries to the uk nations. No one believes that is what we will get under either tory or labour. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 21, 2024 18:08:46 GMT
We know all about the failures of the tory government regarding immigration. Most of the tories on here , are angered by that failure as you can see from the posts. however , labour once again aren't the solution , merely a large part of the problem , as your opening turd polishing post shows. As I said , what a topic for a Labour supporter to bring up. What So jf thats the case why you post about labour I's it your right wing hatred of labour Actually its more about New Labour’s hatred of the cohesive united kingdom society 1945-1997 |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 21, 2024 18:16:42 GMT
dose the graph so growth yes or no Thomas I'm trying to Polish anything just teying to.get the truth. ...but doesn't the graph show a stall in growth around Blairs decision to open the floodgates , and is any further growth because of , or in spite of , or in part to do with immigration ? As people are saying , it's not just a simple case of counting immigrant taxes , and them doing jobs others may not want to. The cohesiveness of society , housing. , infrastructure schooling and much else including using the nhs has to be taken into any consideration on costs and benefits. Immigration is a toxic subject , and you can't simply say its all down to racism when many of the voices against appear to be largely mainstream and reasonable people . I would argue most folk accept the need for slight controlled immigration from similar countries to the uk nations. No one believes that is what we will get under either tory or labour. For a time period but like you said we didn't leave the Eu until 2220 So ineffect it was responsible for the growth there no other way of looking at it none What so ever |
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 21, 2024 18:22:20 GMT
Did you understand the point pacifico was making in post two though? Yes that why I said we left the EU And he said Not in the mid 2000's we didn't  So he's not talking about stagnation Do you understand stand that point lol I love when a simple labour voter puts You loony right winger wrong 😂😂😂😂😶😂😂😂 Within three months of Blair getting into number ten, patricia hewitt and stephen byers were despatched to india to rustle up as many Indians prepared to lie through their teeth they programmed in java. On arrival at the UK they were handed a fast tracked visa allowing them in to work for Mahindra, a software house where the curry comes from, run by two of blairs new found friends and party donors. I am proud of the fact i was instrumental in proving this a scam and having it shut down, sadly too quietly for my liking. The serial fraudster and overall prince of darkness Oeter Mandelson admitted this and it forms the basis of several press reports including the one i found and linked Later as Pacifico points out while other EEC countries chose to restrict freedom of movement for citizens of the former soviet bloc, blair saw an excellent opportunity to destroy tbe community cohesiin of the UK and set about letting them all in. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2024 18:31:02 GMT
...but doesn't the graph show a stall in growth around Blairs decision to open the floodgates , and is any further growth because of , or in spite of , or in part to do with immigration ? As people are saying , it's not just a simple case of counting immigrant taxes , and them doing jobs others may not want to. The cohesiveness of society , housing. , infrastructure schooling and much else including using the nhs has to be taken into any consideration on costs and benefits. Immigration is a toxic subject , and you can't simply say its all down to racism when many of the voices against appear to be largely mainstream and reasonable people . I would argue most folk accept the need for slight controlled immigration from similar countries to the uk nations. No one believes that is what we will get under either tory or labour. So ineffect it was responsible for the growth there no other way of looking at it none What so ever why not? Whats the correlation ? Japan that you mentioned earlier has little immigration according to you ,( foreign population 2.29% while uk is 14.8%) is around 1.6 times the uk , but has been consistently one of the top economies in the world. Like I said, flooding countries with immigrants to appease big business , while ignoring all other issues isnt a vote winner , and im yet to be convinced it's the single cause of countries doing well economically. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 21, 2024 18:31:43 GMT
...but doesn't the graph show a stall in growth around Blairs decision to open the floodgates , and is any further growth because of , or in spite of , or in part to do with immigration ? As people are saying , it's not just a simple case of counting immigrant taxes , and them doing jobs others may not want to. The cohesiveness of society , housing. , infrastructure schooling and much else including using the nhs has to be taken into any consideration on costs and benefits. Immigration is a toxic subject , and you can't simply say its all down to racism when many of the voices against appear to be largely mainstream and reasonable people . I would argue most folk accept the need for slight controlled immigration from similar countries to the uk nations. No one believes that is what we will get under either tory or labour. For a time period but like you said we didn't leave the Eu until 2220 So ineffect it was responsible for the growth there no other way of looking at it none What so ever All that other stuff been said since immigration started has for pressure on housing you said Scotland built 10,000 or so but who's living in them Scotland and the moment has a trouble honeless problem whith the record number of children in Shelterd accumudarionot Schools worse results then England. Higher deficit .if Scotland and Wales examples of low Immigration l rather keep has we are . |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 21, 2024 18:41:24 GMT
Yes that why I said we left the EU And he said Not in the mid 2000's we didn't So he's not talking about stagnation Do you understand stand that point lol I love when a simple labour voter puts You loony right winger wrong 😂😂😂😂😶😂😂😂 Within three months of Blair getting into number ten, patricia hewitt and stephen byers were despatched to india to rustle up as many Indians prepared to lie through their teeth they programmed in java. On arrival at the UK they were handed a fast tracked visa allowing them in to work for Mahindra, a software house where the curry comes from, run by two of blairs new found friends and party donors. I am proud of the fact i was instrumental in proving this a scam and having it shut down, sadly too quietly for my liking. The serial fraudster and overall prince of darkness Oeter Mandelson admitted this and it forms the basis of several press reports including the one i found and linked Later as Pacifico points out while other EEC countries chose to restrict freedom of movement for citizens of the former soviet bloc, blair saw an excellent opportunity to destroy tbe community cohesiin of the UK and set about letting them all in. Not being funny John what would know about destroying Community Cohesivenpess When you live in Wales. And how can you talk about backhanderst In ppe6 and v00 With PPE contracts costing billion lp |
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 21, 2024 18:44:51 GMT
Within three months of Blair getting into number ten, patricia hewitt and stephen byers were despatched to india to rustle up as many Indians prepared to lie through their teeth they programmed in java. On arrival at the UK they were handed a fast tracked visa allowing them in to work for Mahindra, a software house where the curry comes from, run by two of blairs new found friends and party donors. I am proud of the fact i was instrumental in proving this a scam and having it shut down, sadly too quietly for my liking. The serial fraudster and overall prince of darkness Oeter Mandelson admitted this and it forms the basis of several press reports including the one i found and linked Later as Pacifico points out while other EEC countries chose to restrict freedom of movement for citizens of the former soviet bloc, blair saw an excellent opportunity to destroy tbe community cohesiin of the UK and set about letting them all in. Not being funny John what would know about destroying Community Cohesivenpess When you live in Wales. And how can you talk about backhanderst In ppe6 and v00 With PPE contracts costing billion lp what the hell are you smoking and can i buy some What the holy fuck has covid profiteering got to do with blair’s destruction of the united kingdom’s community cohesion and the creation of quadruplicate theoretical governance as a way of destroying the unity of the united kingdom. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 21, 2024 18:50:27 GMT
So ineffect it was responsible for the growth there no other way of looking at it none What so ever why not? Whats the correlation ? Japan that you mentioned earlier has little immigration according to you ,( foreign population 2.29% while uk is 14.8%) is around 1.6 times the uk , but has been consistently one of the top economies in the world. Like I said, flooding countries with immigrants to appease big business , while ignoring all other issues isnt a vote winner , and im yet to be convinced it's the single cause of countries doing well economically. but not a top earner it's in deep recession. Not sure if it's been a top earner like the UK normally around 6th or 7th place But that's why I gave the carrot and stick.with Japan being about the same size us bigger population but manage with inferstutter but Britain can't . |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 21, 2024 18:53:36 GMT
Not being funny John what would know about destroying Community Cohesivenpess When you live in Wales. And how can you talk about backhanderst In ppe6 and v00 With PPE contracts costing billion lp what the hell are you smoking and can i buy some What the holy fuck has covid profiteering got to do with blair’s destruction of the united kingdom’s community cohesion and the creation of quadruplicate theoretical governance as a way of destroying the unity of the united kingdom. I put this thread in the mind room To avoid disgusting foul mouth lout Like you . |
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2024 18:58:41 GMT
why not? Whats the correlation ? Japan that you mentioned earlier has little immigration according to you ,( foreign population 2.29% while uk is 14.8%) is around 1.6 times the uk , but has been consistently one of the top economies in the world. Like I said, flooding countries with immigrants to appease big business , while ignoring all other issues isnt a vote winner , and im yet to be convinced it's the single cause of countries doing well economically. but not a top earner it's in deep recession. Not sure if it's been a top earner like the UK normally around 6th or 7th place But that's why I gave the carrot and stick.with Japan being about the same size us bigger population but manage with inferstutter but Britain can't . sorry but dont understand what you mean? Many countries like Germany and France are currently either in recession or having massive problems . Some have high immigration , other low .both Germany and Japan have a bigger economy than the uk. The bigger or smaller population isnt the issue, but the percentage of migrants of the population , and the correlation between doing well and having large migrant populations. Im not sure its as simple as what you are saying. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2024 19:01:16 GMT
what the hell are you smoking and can i buy some What the holy fuck has covid profiteering got to do with blair’s destruction of the united kingdom’s community cohesion and the creation of quadruplicate theoretical governance as a way of destroying the unity of the united kingdom. I put this thread in the mind room To avoid disgusting foul mouth lout Like you . Johns point to you was about devolution , and Tony Blair destroying the old unitary uk state. John absolutely detests labours devolution in Wales , and voted against it.........as well as immigration from foreign lands far afield....... |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 21, 2024 19:10:54 GMT
I put this thread in the mind room To avoid disgusting foul mouth lout Like you . Johns point to you was about devolution , and Tony Blair destroying the old unitary uk state. John absolutely detests labours devolution in Wales , and voted against it.........as well as immigration from foreign lands far afield....... So he needs to.use such discussting Language and hes such a upstanding moral man ask him about his view on jeov witness Ifantcide |
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2024 19:17:04 GMT
Johns point to you was about devolution , and Tony Blair destroying the old unitary uk state. John absolutely detests labours devolution in Wales , and voted against it.........as well as immigration from foreign lands far afield....... So he needs to.use such discussting Language and hes such a upstanding moral man ask him about his view on jeov witness Ifantcide ive known John for years. John is alright. We dont always agree on politics , such is life , but he is entitled to his opinions. Im aware of most of them . |
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