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Post by Orac on Feb 14, 2024 21:31:24 GMT
Atheist = indifference. Rejects the belief without any certainties. No that is factually wrong. Atheism rejects the belief with certainty. It's uncertain. Some atheists claim atheism is a certainty about the non existence of god and others claim it is merely a failure to positively believe. Under the latter interpretation agnosticism is a form of atheism - ie not believing in a god. The distinction makes quite a difference to the meaning. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 14, 2024 21:34:26 GMT
I'm a believer in a creator. I don't have any problem with it at all. Theories are one thing, but they are theories. I have no issue with anyone believing whatever they want to belive. But, yes there's always a but lol... As an intelligent person how do you square the 'six days of creation', do you really think a god made everything in six days? Also, science says Earth is about 4.5 billion years old, yet the bible says it's 6000 years old. I appreciate religion brings some people such as yourself, a modicum of comfort and there's nothing wrong with that. But is there a difference between someone who goes to church because he enjoys being a part of the club, and someone who implicitly believes the bible and that science is wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2024 21:41:10 GMT
I'm a believer in a creator. I don't have any problem with it at all. Theories are one thing, but they are theories. I have no issue with anyone believing whatever they want to believe. But, yes there's always a but lol... As an intelligent person how do you square the 'six days of creation', do you really think a god made everything in six days? Also, science says Earth is about 4.5 billion years old, yet the bible says it's 6000 years old. I appreciate religion brings some people such as yourself, a modicum of comfort and there's nothing wrong with that. But is there a difference between someone who goes to church because he enjoys being a part of the club, and someone who implicitly believes the bible and that science is wrong. Don't patronise me. Yes, I believe God did the creation in 6 days. Can you prove the 6 days of creation did not happen? Nowhere does the Bible say the Earth is 6000 years old, I told you that in a previous thread and you obviously didn't take that one in. |
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Post by Ripley on Feb 14, 2024 21:43:48 GMT
Atheist = indifference. Rejects the belief without any certainties. No that is factually wrong. Atheism rejects the belief with certainty. They believe there is no god with the same certainty that say Christians believe there is a god. It’s effectively another religion in itself. It is Agnostics that tend to reject belief without being certain and aren’t overly bothered anyway. I am largely Agnostic. Agreed. The a- in atheism is the prefix a- or an- (before vowels) that is used in Indo-European languages in words borrowed from Sanskrit and Greek to express negation or absence, for example the English words of Greek origin such as analgesic, anesthetic, atypical, etc.,. Someone who is a-theist is a non theist, in other words, someone who believes in no gods. Similarly, since the Greek gnosis means a form of knowing, an a-gnostic is a person who is not-knowing. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 14, 2024 21:46:36 GMT
Not having a belief in something is not the same as believing something doesn't exist.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 14, 2024 21:46:59 GMT
I have no issue with anyone believing whatever they want to believe. But, yes there's always a but lol... As an intelligent person how do you square the 'six days of creation', do you really think a god made everything in six days? Also, science says Earth is about 4.5 billion years old, yet the bible says it's 6000 years old. I appreciate religion brings some people such as yourself, a modicum of comfort and there's nothing wrong with that. But is there a difference between someone who goes to church because he enjoys being a part of the club, and someone who implicitly believes the bible and that science is wrong. Don't patronise me. Yes, I believe God did the creation in 6 days. Can you prove the 6 days of creation did not happen? Nowhere does the Bible say the Earth is 6000 years old, I told you that in a previous thread and you obviously didn't take that one in. I'm not patronising you. No of course I cant prove the six days of creation did not happen. The thing is, you cant prove it did. For me this is the problem with religion, it relies on total belief without any evidence. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2024 21:48:38 GMT
I appreciate religion brings some people such as yourself, a modicum of comfort and there's nothing wrong with that.
FYI, that pretty much meets the definition of patronising.
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Post by Bentley on Feb 14, 2024 21:49:06 GMT
The only way biblical texts make sense is if they are a series of allegories.
They can even be considered divine with some mental gymnastics.
Ditto most other religions.
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Post by Bentley on Feb 14, 2024 21:51:00 GMT
Not having a belief in something is not the same as believing something doesn't exist. Iirc being patronised and ridiculed for believing in Christ was foretold in the Bible . |
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Post by Ripley on Feb 14, 2024 21:53:39 GMT
Not having a belief in something is not the same as believing something doesn't exist. I don't see how believing that supernatural deities don't exist is any different from not having a belief in them. I believe they don't exist, ergo I have no belief in them. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 14, 2024 21:56:28 GMT
I’m more certain that Santa Clause doesn’t exist than I am certain wood nymphs don’t exist.
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Post by Orac on Feb 14, 2024 21:58:43 GMT
Not having a belief in something is not the same as believing something doesn't exist. I believe they don't exist, ergo I have no belief in them. Sure - that's true, but it doesn't really work the other way around. If i have no belief in something, I need not have any strong opinion either way - i just don't have a belief |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2024 22:01:13 GMT
No that is factually wrong. Atheism rejects the belief with certainty. It's uncertain. Some atheists claim atheism is a certainty about the non existence of god and others claim it is merely a failure to positively believe. Under the latter interpretation agnosticism is a form of atheism - ie not believing in a god. The distinction makes quite a difference to the meaning. It's usually an absence of belief, which an atheist will claim to be certain of. I think some people mistake the belief part for the deity part. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 14, 2024 22:04:01 GMT
It's uncertain. Some atheists claim atheism is a certainty about the non existence of god and others claim it is merely a failure to positively believe. Under the latter interpretation agnosticism is a form of atheism - ie not believing in a god. The distinction makes quite a difference to the meaning. It's usually an absence of belief, which an atheist will claim to be certain of. I think some people mistake the belief part for the deity part. Claiming an absence of belief with certainty is a rather mild and redundant claim "I claim with 100% certainty that i don't think X"
Strong atheism vs weak atheism:
There are different types of atheism, including strong atheism, which is the belief that there is definitely no God or gods, and weak atheism, which is the lack of belief in the existence of a deity or deities without necessarily making the claim that there definitely is no God or gods.
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Post by Ripley on Feb 14, 2024 22:09:00 GMT
I believe they don't exist, ergo I have no belief in them. Sure - that's true, but it doesn't really work the other way around. If i have no belief in something, I need not have any strong opinion either way - i just don't have a beliefFor me, expressing an absence of belief doesn't quite capture being in a state of indecision but open to believing something. The atheists I know have taken the position that they believe in no supernatural deities. They do not embrace gods, Satan, or any artificial religious constructs. If they were open to that possibility, they'd call themselves agnostics, not atheists. |
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