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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 14, 2024 13:43:04 GMT
You going to apply that argument to the majority in Russia re Ukraine?... Hardly the same thing is it?  Honestly, Steve - you're really clutching at straws if that's the best you can do. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 14, 2024 13:44:15 GMT
Opinion polls are unreliable. The majority in Northern Ireland are now Catholic. It is worth asking them. Not even Sinn Fein are saying that threshold has been passed yet. But it is getting closer. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 14, 2024 13:46:30 GMT
You going to apply that argument to the majority in Russia re Ukraine?... Hardly the same thing is it? Honestly, Steve - you're really clutching at straws if that's the best you can do. It's the same principle. And you were being ridiculous imagining that a Westminster parliament could expel ~2 million people from the UK without their approval. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 14, 2024 13:48:19 GMT
It's the same principle... No it isn't. You're being silly. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 14, 2024 13:50:39 GMT
Opinion polls are unreliable. The majority in Northern Ireland are now Catholic. It is worth asking them. Not even Sinn Fein are saying that threshold has been passed yet. But it is getting closer. This is a debating forum, I'm suggesting that a referendum be held. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 14, 2024 17:43:58 GMT
Not even Sinn Fein are saying that threshold has been passed yet. But it is getting closer. This is a debating forum, I'm suggesting that a referendum be held. No you said the majority in NI are Catholic and I'm saying not even Sinn Fain are saying that. What was your reference? The 2021 census says only 42.3% |
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Post by Steve on Feb 14, 2024 17:47:16 GMT
It's the same principle... No it isn't. You're being silly. Nope and coming from someone who stupidly suggests a Westminster parliament could expel 1.9 million people from the UK then frankly the silliness and earth shattering irony is coming from your keyboard |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 14, 2024 17:59:16 GMT
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 14, 2024 19:19:49 GMT
No it isn't. You're being silly. Nope and coming from someone who stupidly suggests a Westminster parliament could expel 1.9 million people from the UK then frankly the silliness and earth shattering irony is coming from your keyboard Nope. Your comprehension fails you yet again: I said I'd happily offload NI, not that the government could or would.
It's called an opinion Steve.
And mine are different to yours. And I get that you don't like that, and I couldn't give a shit. 
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Post by jonksy on Feb 14, 2024 19:25:11 GMT
Nope and coming from someone who stupidly suggests a Westminster parliament could expel 1.9 million people from the UK then frankly the silliness and earth shattering irony is coming from your keyboard Nope. Your comprehension fails you yet again: I said I'd happily offload NI, not that the government could or would.
It's called an opinion Steve.
And mine are different to yours. And I get that you don't like that, and I couldn't give a shit.
I got a couple of don't give a fucks you can have mate... |
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Post by Steve on Feb 14, 2024 22:51:09 GMT
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Post by thomas on Feb 15, 2024 6:42:49 GMT
sob sob. I let the facts speak for themselves. You entered this thread making some silly pointless virtue signalling post to red rack ham about catholics. your second post was proved wrong almost immediately regarding Downeys get out of jail free card , which collapsed his trial. your third post was defending your lame comments when told by another member about how you dont have a clue what you are talking about , your fifth post a diversion about Downeys `other` convictions. In between relentlessly sneering at forum members , and telling everyone how we dont know what we are talking about while tacitly defending a man who epitomises the very definition of selective justice. It's what you do. Yes of course that must be true - in your head. But that awkward thing called reality keeps getting in the way of you doesn't it. What reality is that? can you show me this reality? You have won no victory in any part of this thread. You fell at the first hurdle , unable to deal with the simple case of John downey , where you ran away screaming diversions , after entering the thread on your high horse talking about an old man you know nothing about labelling him as despicable and implying he was anti catholic. Ive forgotten more about Northern Ireland than you will ever know in your ivory tower , defending the mass murderer Tony Blair. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 15, 2024 6:48:02 GMT
I am prejudiced about Tony Blair. I can't stand the man , nor his party. However, at least im honest about it. You aren't some impartial commentator either. You are extremely pro Tony Blair and labour , but aren't honest about it. Ive read plenty regarding the GFA , and I fail to see what Blair did that warrants his canonisation. I said to Vinny up the thread negotiations would have happened , with or without new labour being in power. The world was turning against the British , the relentless bad press , and the British elite were coming under massive international pressure to deal with the issues in Northern Ireland. The hot potato simply landed in Blairs lap , as did the issue of Scottish devolution , where similarly he was coming under pressure to do something by the council of Europe. I stand by what I have said through this thread. The idea starmer is going to take power , and make us Scots and northern Irish love Westminster is a fantasy in your head. The border poll is written into the GFA , which your mans government agreed to , and is something you can't dodge forever. Northern Ireland was created out of spite in 1920 , and has been a ticking time bomb handed from prime minister to prime minister ever since. At first , the British elite were secure in their protestant majority sectarian apartheid state , since 2017 , the direction of travel has finally dawned on them. Now they are scrabbling about desperate not to be the prime minister that finally loses the place. The Irish aren't backing down. There was a northern Irish debate in the house of lords in your parliament last night , and lord kilclooney pointed out that out of 800 English peers , only one bothered to turn up. The Irish know you dont care about them , and many in England would happily offload them. I dont think hardcore women like o Neil and Mac Donald are going to be put off a border poll by a wet lettuce like starmer. Throwing crumbs to the northern Irish like this poor old bugger being taken to trial won't stop a border poll . I totally agree and I think that offloading NI would be immensely popular with the English voter.
Most people in England don't really understand the NI situation and, you're right, we don't care. We simply see it as an expensive thorn in our side.
I'd offload NI tomorrow.
Thanks for your honesty , unlike some on here. Northern Ireland holds no strategic military or economic value to Westminster. Its a drain on the uk taxpayer , and a political embarrassment .It has one foot out the uk door already , regarding the eu settlement that set it apart from the rest of the uk , and demographically and politically is moving toward reunification with the republic. So apart from face saving for some of the Westminster elite , and giving people like Steve another victimhood subject to scream about , what exactly is the point of carrying on with the charade of clinging onto a place while throwing old men in their seventies under a bus for events long long ago? The mind boggles . |
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Post by thomas on Feb 15, 2024 6:49:10 GMT
. . . I'd offload NI tomorrow.
Against the will of the majority there. Really? can you show us what you are talking about? |
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Post by thomas on Feb 15, 2024 6:53:50 GMT
What about the majority here? You going to apply that argument to the majority in Russia re Ukraine? Of course not because self determination is about the people actually in the relevant area. And the majority in NI still want to be in the UK. HOWEVER take it down to a district and in some cases county level and many of those would vote to be part of Ireland. And IMHO that's what we should let those districts do. ....and another Steve diversion from the point under discussion , which isnt Ukraine. |
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