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Post by thomas on Feb 8, 2024 13:37:53 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 8, 2024 14:23:43 GMT
It is an insult that the government puts a soldier in the dock while letting IRA killers go free - linkIRA fugitives free to return home - linkMaze emptied as terrorist prisoners walk free - linkHow we let the IRA walk free - link
Justice? Don't make me laugh. |
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Post by patman post on Feb 8, 2024 14:24:36 GMT
Two questions arose in my mind when I saw this report earlier:
a) Is it good to have verified that there's no statute of limitations for serious criminal cases, and
b) are some cases best left buried if not pursued for several decades...?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2024 14:28:59 GMT
Two questions arose in my mind when I saw this report earlier: a) Is it good to have verified that there's no statute of limitations for serious criminal cases, and b) are some cases best left buried if not pursued for several decades...? My question is how fair can a trial be after 52 years? Isn't it all tied up in this? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Reaction_ForceSurely for the sake of the peace process, if the IRA have immunity, so should a soldier, after 52 years. |
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Post by dappy on Feb 8, 2024 14:39:53 GMT
The IRA don't have immunity. Every now and then ex-IRA members are similarly held to account for their actions.
There is a separate argument about whether there should be a statute of limitations on all criminal cases and perhaps whether it would be best now to end criminal prosecutions on all sides relating to the troubles but that can't just be for one side. It has to be for all.
In respect of the case concerned, usual conditionality should apply that judgement over whether an act crossed the line into criminality needs to factor in on the ground conditions and mentality. That's for the court now though.
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Post by thomas on Feb 8, 2024 15:12:53 GMT
The IRA don't have immunity. Every now and then ex-IRA members are similarly held to account for their actions. There is a separate argument about whether there should be a statute of limitations on all criminal cases and perhaps whether it would be best now to end criminal prosecutions on all sides relating to the troubles but that can't just be for one side. It has to be for all. In respect of the case concerned, usual conditionality should apply that judgement over whether an act crossed the line into criminality needs to factor in on the ground conditions and mentality. That's for the court now though. bollocks. Tony Blairs government gave accused republicans assurances they would not either face trial or be sought by the police. Why is this accused person facing court ? The argument is the post peace agreement rules should apply to all or none. Clearly , it appears to be one sided. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 8, 2024 15:20:00 GMT
quick synopsis for dappys short term memory loss ....... Rita O'Hare had absconded to the Republic of Ireland in 1972 while facing charges for the attempted murder of a British soldier.
Efforts to extradite her failed and by the time of the Good Friday Agreement, she was a key supporter of the process and held an influential role as Sinn Féin's representative in Washington DC.
It was then prime minister Tony Blair's special advisor who identified OTRs as a problem, when then secretary of state Peter Mandelson warned of "the head of steam that [Gerry] Adams is getting up on the subject with the White house and the Irish".
Mr Blair felt that it was in the public interest to drop the pursuit of O'Hare.
The (republicans On The Run) issue would drag on for more than a decade, before coming to national attention in 2014 when the trial of a man accused of killing four soldiers in 1982 collapsed as he had been given a guarantee that he would not face trial.
It then came to light that more than 180 Irish republicans were given so-called "comfort letters" by the labour government, designed to give them assurances that they were not being sought by police.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-67771864 |
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Post by thomas on Feb 8, 2024 15:26:16 GMT
IRA fugitives given 'letters of comfort' are linked to 300 killings Unionist anger as full extent of Tony Blair's secret deal with Sinn Féin is revealedAlmost 100 IRA fugitives who were given " letters of comfort" from Tony Blair's government stating they were no longer wanted for past crimes are suspects in nearly 300 murder cases, a senior police commander admitted on Wednesday. Drew Harris, assistant chief constable of the PSNI, initially told MPs each of the IRA "on the runs" included notorious individuals who were linked to 200 murder investigations – immediately angering unionists already unhappy with the so-called "get-out-of-jail" scheme. But shortly afterwards, the PSNI was forced to clarify Harris's Westminster testimony by pointing out that these 95 IRA recipients of the letters were of interest in connection with 295 killings from the Troubles between 1969 and 1998. Northern Ireland's top police officers were giving evidence to the Northern Ireland select committee about the secret scheme Blair's administration hatched with Sinn Féin as part of a wider compact to secure IRA decommissioning of arms and later Sinn Féin's support for policing and the rule of law. The secret scheme was exposed in the collapse of the prosecution relating to the 1982 Hyde Park bomb atrocity, which killed four soldiers. John Downey was released in February after his legal team produced a letter from 2007, which suggested he would not be prosecuted. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/07/ira-fugitives-linked-to-killings So the question is where is the reciprocal agreement for this case? Whats the difference? Another mess left from Blairs legacy of one sided pardons................... |
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Post by dappy on Feb 8, 2024 15:59:16 GMT
For goodness sake we have been round and round this same issue.
The Good Friday Agreement gave immunity to some of those already convicted and to a handful of named people who may have offended. It was part of the deal which provided peace at last for Northern Ireland. It was an amazing achievement by many people.
The Agreement does not give blanket exemption to those who had not been convicted and every now and then an ex-British soldier is bought to account as is an Ex IRA member. I think I remember an IRA man being sentenced last year.
Perhaps it would have been better if the Good Friday Agreement had given an exemption to all participants but that is not how it was written. Perhaps there is no point now in going after criminals for their crimes 50 odd years ago if they have not committed crimes since but that is not a principle of British law.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 8, 2024 16:53:29 GMT
The IRA don't have immunity. Every now and then ex-IRA members are similarly held to account for their actions. There is a separate argument about whether there should be a statute of limitations on all criminal cases and perhaps whether it would be best now to end criminal prosecutions on all sides relating to the troubles but that can't just be for one side. It has to be for all. In respect of the case concerned, usual conditionality should apply that judgement over whether an act crossed the line into criminality needs to factor in on the ground conditions and mentality. That's for the court now though. Total BOLLOCKS dappy. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 8, 2024 18:37:11 GMT
Charged, but not convicted.
Meanwhile lots of IRA scum are still free including the real Birmingham pub bombers.
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Post by Steve on Feb 8, 2024 20:28:37 GMT
It is an insult that the government puts a soldier in the dock while letting IRA killers go free - linkIRA fugitives free to return home - linkMaze emptied as terrorist prisoners walk free - linkHow we let the IRA walk free - link
Justice? Don't make me laugh. The despicable murder in question was an unarmed Catholic man with no terrorist links mowed down in cold blood with 4 others just for being a Catholic apparently because the soldiers involved were annoyed that other Catholics may have fired on them. But you feel that no one should go on trial. Also despicable. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2024 23:35:12 GMT
Terrorism works, especially with America's support.
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Post by Dogburger on Feb 9, 2024 7:51:18 GMT
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Post by thomas on Feb 9, 2024 8:29:54 GMT
For goodness sake we have been round and round this same issue. The Good Friday Agreement gave immunity to some of those already convicted and to a handful of named people who may have offended. It was part of the deal which provided peace at last for Northern Ireland. It was an amazing achievement by many people. The Agreement does not give blanket exemption to those who had not been convicted and every now and then an ex-British soldier is bought to account as is an Ex IRA member. I think I remember an IRA man being sentenced last year. Perhaps it would have been better if the Good Friday Agreement had given an exemption to all participants but that is not how it was written. Perhaps there is no point now in going after criminals for their crimes 50 odd years ago if they have not committed crimes since but that is not a principle of British law. sorry Dappy , you are just another new labour apologist talking out your arse. you really are. This isnt to do with the Good Friday agreement. New labour and Blair tried to give immunity to IRA men and women on the run , but it was bitterly opposed during the GFA negotiations by not just unionists, but the SDLP . The SDLP , and the Irish government of the republic pointed out the same as whats being implied in this thread, that justice must be free fair and equal for all , or none. It was pointed out to Blair this would have to apply equally to British servicemen and unionists. Blair and his negotiators secretly gave these republicans get out of jail letters behind the backs of the Irish government , and the unionist who were power sharing with Sinn Fein , who both claimed to know nothing about it. The shit then hit the fan during the Cameron government with the attempted prosecution of John Downey for The Hyde park bombing , who then produced one of Tony Blairs get out of jail free letters during the trial . Not only did Tony Blair betray those he worked with and who trusted him during the GFA negotiations , including the Irish gov , the SDLP and not least unionism , but he then wasted yet more tax payers cash with prosecutors trying to prosecute a man they didnt know who had been secretly pardoned by Blair and his cronies. Now this with this soldier. You cannot have selective justice , which pardons some , and prosecutes others. No justice system in the world operates that way. By the way , the uk is the only state in Europe that doesn't have a centralised law system. There is no British law, presumably this soldier will be tried under either English and welsh law , or northern Irish law. Another fucking shambles that wretch of a man Blair left in his wake...... |
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