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Post by thomas on Feb 9, 2024 8:36:53 GMT
It is an insult that the government puts a soldier in the dock while letting IRA killers go free - linkIRA fugitives free to return home - linkMaze emptied as terrorist prisoners walk free - linkHow we let the IRA walk free - link
Justice? Don't make me laugh. The despicable murder in question was an unarmed Catholic man with no terrorist links mowed down in cold blood with 4 others just for being a Catholic apparently because the soldiers involved were annoyed that other Catholics may have fired on them. But you feel that no one should go on trial. Also despicable. They were all despicable murders. They should all equally face the law , or none at all. A Catholic mans murder is no worse than a unionist mans murder , or a civilian in London or elsewhere. We can't have a justice system that operates two tiers , where one tier secretly pardons one group , the other prosecutes other men. Murder is murder. No , get your facts correct. Tony Blair and his cronies felt some should not go on trial. Can't you see the anger among servicemen and former servicemen of a one sided justice system ? Blairs legacy is a disaster in so many ways . |
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Post by Steve on Feb 9, 2024 10:12:00 GMT
You have your supposed facts wrong. There was no 'not go on trial' plan. One court got it wrong.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 9, 2024 11:00:27 GMT
It is an insult that the government puts a soldier in the dock while letting IRA killers go free - linkIRA fugitives free to return home - linkMaze emptied as terrorist prisoners walk free - linkHow we let the IRA walk free - link
Justice? Don't make me laugh. The despicable murder in question was an unarmed Catholic man with no terrorist links mowed down in cold blood with 4 others just for being a Catholic apparently because the soldiers involved were annoyed that other Catholics may have fired on them. But you feel that no one should go on trial. Also despicable. You don't know what you're talking about. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 9, 2024 11:06:08 GMT
Err yes I do, feel free to post up a source of any provenance that counters my post. Won't hold my breath.
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Post by bancroft on Feb 9, 2024 13:07:10 GMT
After 52 years do they have the ballistics to prove his rifle killed that Irish citizen?
I suspect not which then means they fishing for whoever they can get who fits the bill of a former serving soldier on the day that murder happened.
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Post by thomas on Feb 9, 2024 15:05:34 GMT
You have your supposed facts wrong. There was no 'not go on trial' plan. One court got it wrong. thank god you are hear to explain it to us. There were approx 200 different individuals who got the Tony Blair get out of jail free card. Im not sure why one suspect in this case has to go on trial , when justice isnt being applied to 200 different republicans..... |
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Post by Steve on Feb 9, 2024 18:13:44 GMT
You have your supposed facts wrong. There was no 'not go on trial' plan. One court got it wrong. thank god you are hear to explain it to us. There were approx 200 different individuals who got the Tony Blair get out of jail free card. Im not sure why one suspect in this case has to go on trial , when justice isnt being applied to 200 different republicans..... You do post some made up trash don't you. If your post was true then how come John Downey (the lucky beneficiary of a misreading of those letters) has since been put on trial for the murder of Alfred Johnston and James Eames in August 1972. Because your post wasn't true that's why |
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Post by sheepy on Feb 10, 2024 7:33:16 GMT
The troubles? it was a full-blown civil war, law and order had completely broken down, how you will find justice for it 50 years later is beyond me. Take the peace and build on it, finger pointing now won't achieve a thing, but just keep opening wounds.
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Post by Vinny on Feb 10, 2024 14:05:54 GMT
Charged, not convicted.
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Post by thomas on Feb 10, 2024 15:31:10 GMT
thank god you are hear to explain it to us. There were approx 200 different individuals who got the Tony Blair get out of jail free card. Im not sure why one suspect in this case has to go on trial , when justice isnt being applied to 200 different republicans..... You do post some made up trash don't you. If your post was true then how come John Downey (the lucky beneficiary of a misreading of those letters) has since been put on trial for the murder of Alfred Johnston and James Eames in August 1972. Because your post wasn't true that's why What have I posted that is made up Steve? First of all , it was the then northern Irish first minister , Peter Robinson , who called them `get out of jail free cards ` regarding the letters these republicans had received secretly from the Tony Blair regime. Whats untrue about my post? Are you denying John Downeys trial collapsed in 2014 because his defence produced one of Tony Blairs get out of jail free letters?
Man accused of 1982 IRA Hyde Park bombing walks free
Judge rules promises made by UK government as part of Good Friday agreement mean trial of John Downey cannot go ahead
A man accused of murdering four soldiers in an IRA bomb attack in London's Hyde Park in 1982 has walked free from court after a judge ruled his trial should not go ahead because of British government assurances he received under the Good Friday peace agreement
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/feb/25/ira-hyde-park-bombing-1982-attack-john-downey ah so you want to ignore the evidence that Downeys original trial collapsed because of Blairs get out of jail free letter , and then talk about a different trial to divert? After the collapse of Downeys original case , regarding The Hyde Park bombing , because of Tonys letter , and a failure of the psni to inform him of an outstanding warrant issued in englandshire , it was subsequently pointed out to him and the other OTRs at a later date that the letters contained a caveat that if new evidence came to light , prosecutions may go ahead for other alleged offences. my post was true. If downey got a get out of jail free card for The Hyde Park bombing , then I ask again , why can't this soldier get a similar get out of jail fee card? Another person being thrown under a bus all because of the British empire ruinous exit strategy of partition. All Steve cares about is defending Tony Blairs heinous legacy........... |
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Post by Steve on Feb 10, 2024 16:05:10 GMT
No Thomas your post wasn't true. One trial got effed up by a cock-up. The very same accused has subsequently been put on trial again for separate pre GFA agreement murders thereby proving those letters were not the legal immunities you falsely supposed they were
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Post by Steve on Feb 10, 2024 16:10:49 GMT
AFAIK the trial is still pending. He was certainly extradited to NI to stand trial |
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Post by thomas on Feb 10, 2024 16:15:09 GMT
No Thomas your post wasn't true. One trial got effed up by a cock-up. The very same accused has subsequently been put on trial again for separate pre GFA agreement murders thereby proving those letters were not the legal immunities you falsely supposed they were It doesn't matter if downey was put on trial for another alleged crime. The original trial collapsed when Tony Blairs letter was produced. That is a fact. You can stand there all day waffling with your fingers in your ears all you like , the point is , justice must be seen to be fair and equal for all or none at all. Clearly in the various troubles legacy cases , this isnt the case. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 10, 2024 16:15:51 GMT
AFAIK the trial is still pending. He was certainly extradited to NI to stand trial He was. ....but not for The Hyde Park bombing..........which Tony Blair helped him walk free from........ |
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Post by Steve on Feb 10, 2024 16:58:34 GMT
No Thomas your post wasn't true. One trial got effed up by a cock-up. The very same accused has subsequently been put on trial again for separate pre GFA agreement murders thereby proving those letters were not the legal immunities you falsely supposed they were It doesn't matter if downey was put on trial for another alleged crime. The original trial collapsed when Tony Blairs letter was produced. That is a fact. You can stand there all day waffling with your fingers in your ears all you like , the point is , justice must be seen to be fair and equal for all or none at all. Clearly in the various troubles legacy cases , this isnt the case. Look you posted 'There were approx 200 different individuals who got the Tony Blair get out of jail free card'It wasn't true, just accept you made a mistake (like the judge did in the first Downey trial) and move on. All this misrepresenting others posts and generally inanely ranting just makes you look silly. Oh and seems you forgot the UVF terrorists got early release under the GFA too. |
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