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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 5, 2024 18:23:43 GMT
Amongst the vast array of problems confronting the UK this is one of the easiest to solve. Lets say you're at Mertyn in Wales and want to get to Liverpool. How did you do it before there were two SUVs on every driveway? |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 5, 2024 18:30:21 GMT
I don't live there I just googled it.
But at one time people lived in an area their whole lives and never travelled.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 5, 2024 18:32:03 GMT
Lets say you're at Mertyn in Wales and want to get to Liverpool. How did you do it before there were two SUVs on every driveway? You didn't - people simply did not travel as much. However its 2024 not 1924 and people want to travel... European airlines will have 817.5mn seats available between April and October, according to travel data company OAG, the highest number on record. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 5, 2024 19:11:06 GMT
The people of the EU. Rather than going around the houses like this, wouldn't it be simpler to just say no and tell my why the little people don't get a say in how they live? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 5, 2024 19:16:26 GMT
I was reading an article in the Times at the weekend about a family of four who traveled to the French Alps for a skiing holiday. Being eco-conscious, they decided to go by train which took 14 hours as opposed to 5 by air, but meant they emitted just 40 kg of CO2 versus 1600 by flying.
They said they enjoyed the rail journey as well, especially the kids who got to see much more of the world than they would otherwise have done.
So it's not all downside.
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Post by Orac on Feb 5, 2024 19:21:29 GMT
I was reading an article in the Times at the weekend about a family of four who traveled to the French Alps for a skiing holiday. Being eco-conscious, they decided to go by train which took 14 hours as opposed to 5 by air, but meant they emitted just 40 kg of CO2 versus 1600 by flying. They said they enjoyed the rail journey as well, especially the kids who got to see much more of the world than they would otherwise have done. So it's not all downside. Sure. It's not all downsidesI quite like trains. I also quite like receiving a handwritten letter. However, I'm not sure I want to abandon / ban the internet so i can do it more often. If we are worried to employ CO2 calming policy, wouldn't immigration be a much simpler place to start? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 5, 2024 19:24:07 GMT
What you mean is much of what we need to sustain our current hyper-consumerist consumption patterns is in Africa and South America. That's as may be but it doesn't mean we have to continue blindly down the same rut until we either poison ourselves or run out of stuff. There are alternative pathways to choose from. I'm a great fan of efficiency. Yes we waste a huge amount. I think technology could be used to optimise poorly optimised processes, and this will be worth something.
Me personally, I try and avoid cheap clothes because they fall apart in no time. It's a false economy to buy things designed to fail. You can do even better right now because the highest quality merchandise is not moving well in the market thanks to austerity, so my last purchase I got for over 75% off. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 5, 2024 20:32:38 GMT
I was reading an article in the Times at the weekend about a family of four who traveled to the French Alps for a skiing holiday. Being eco-conscious, they decided to go by train which took 14 hours as opposed to 5 by air, but meant they emitted just 40 kg of CO2 versus 1600 by flying. They said they enjoyed the rail journey as well, especially the kids who got to see much more of the world than they would otherwise have done. So it's not all downside. It's really nice to hear someone who has travelled a lot more than the rest of us telling us all about the advantages of public transport. How does the cost compare? |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 5, 2024 20:38:29 GMT
Let them eat cake , let them take the train we all know will never arrive , maybe first class ….
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 5, 2024 21:51:13 GMT
I was reading an article in the Times at the weekend about a family of four who traveled to the French Alps for a skiing holiday. Being eco-conscious, they decided to go by train which took 14 hours as opposed to 5 by air, but meant they emitted just 40 kg of CO2 versus 1600 by flying. They said they enjoyed the rail journey as well, especially the kids who got to see much more of the world than they would otherwise have done. So it's not all downside. It's really nice to hear someone who has travelled a lot more than the rest of us telling us all about the advantages of public transport. How does the cost compare?; The Swiss trains are supposed to be excellent. They have a lot of glass in them so you can see in all directions and the views are amazing across the Alps and other countryside. I think stuff is pretty pricy in Switzerland though. Maybe not as bad as UK trains, which really do take the piss. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 5, 2024 22:02:07 GMT
I was reading an article in the Times at the weekend about a family of four who traveled to the French Alps for a skiing holiday. Being eco-conscious, they decided to go by train which took 14 hours as opposed to 5 by air, but meant they emitted just 40 kg of CO2 versus 1600 by flying. They said they enjoyed the rail journey as well, especially the kids who got to see much more of the world than they would otherwise have done. So it's not all downside. Sure. It's not all downsidesI quite like trains. I also quite like receiving a handwritten letter. However, I'm not sure I want to abandon / ban the internet so i can do it more often. If we are worried to employ CO2 calming policy, wouldn't immigration be a much simpler place to start? Yes I'd very much agree. As we're all aware one of the first things new entrants want to get their hands after arrival the first world is a fancy German motor.
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 5, 2024 22:05:40 GMT
I was reading an article in the Times at the weekend about a family of four who traveled to the French Alps for a skiing holiday. Being eco-conscious, they decided to go by train which took 14 hours as opposed to 5 by air, but meant they emitted just 40 kg of CO2 versus 1600 by flying. They said they enjoyed the rail journey as well, especially the kids who got to see much more of the world than they would otherwise have done. So it's not all downside. It's really nice to hear someone who has travelled a lot more than the rest of us telling us all about the advantages of public transport. How does the cost compare?; In this particular case, as I recall the train was slightly cheaper than flying.
In my experience traveling by train long distance in Europe is usually more expensive, but I find it worth it as a more relaxing experience. Flying these days is for the birds. Especially by budget airlines which is what most people tend to use these days.
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 5, 2024 22:08:23 GMT
It's really nice to hear someone who has travelled a lot more than the rest of us telling us all about the advantages of public transport. How does the cost compare?; The Swiss trains are supposed to be excellent. They have a lot of glass in them so you can see in all directions and the views are amazing across the Alps and other countryside. I think stuff is pretty pricy in Switzerland though. Maybe not as bad as UK trains, which really do take the piss. They are. In my experience the Swiss rail system is the best there is.
But in this case the family in question traveled on Eurostar and SNCF, not quite as good as Swiss Railways but still pretty good.
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Post by Vinny on Feb 5, 2024 22:14:49 GMT
Done long distance rail journeys in this country and oh my God was it expensive.
Much cheaper to go by car.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 5, 2024 22:30:46 GMT
I was reading an article in the Times at the weekend about a family of four who traveled to the French Alps for a skiing holiday. Being eco-conscious, they decided to go by train which took 14 hours as opposed to 5 by air, but meant they emitted just 40 kg of CO2 versus 1600 by flying. They said they enjoyed the rail journey as well, especially the kids who got to see much more of the world than they would otherwise have done. So it's not all downside. It's really nice to hear someone who has travelled a lot more than the rest of us telling us all about the advantages of public transport. How does the cost compare?; I just checked this. For the same day on London to Lyon - cheapest on the train was £113 - flying was £54 |
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