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Post by Pacifico on Feb 5, 2024 8:56:19 GMT
Here is an odd one. Proposal to ban repairs on cars over 15 years old - cars over 15 years will be forcibly scrapped rather than repaired to keep them on the road which seems to promote the throwaway consumer society that is at odds with the drive to become more environmentally friendly.
Cars experiencing failures in major components such as engines, transmissions, brakes, or steering, and deemed old (potentially around 15 years), will fall under this category. Once labelled as residual, these vehicles would be barred from undergoing significant repairs and would likely be scrapped.
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Post by Orac on Feb 5, 2024 9:09:58 GMT
Presumably if you perform the repair yourself in secret, the police may become involved and you could be facing a fine or imprisonment.
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Post by wapentake on Feb 5, 2024 9:25:48 GMT
Presumably if you perform the repair yourself in secret, the police may become involved and you could be facing a fine or imprisonment. Good god the repair resistance in France should resurrect allo allo for another series  |
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Post by walterpaisley on Feb 5, 2024 9:41:57 GMT
I wonder how the proposal would impact upon the recent practice of converting old, classic, ICE vehicles to EV.
A colleague in LA drives a classic Dodge Challenger (the "Vanishing Point" car..) converted to electricity.
Cost a fortune, weighs a ton, took forever to be delivered (I think he said the garage have an average two year turnaround), drives beautifully, and turns heads even in a city full of extraordinary cars.
I suspect that - even if the existence of such a niche market has occurred to the framers of this proposal (and it probably hasn't) - there would be an exemption.
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Post by Bentley on Feb 5, 2024 10:15:53 GMT
Expensive insurance and parts will probably force ICE cars off the road well before 15 years anyway.
People are going to be forced out of private vehicles and into public transport .
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Post by Orac on Feb 5, 2024 10:21:44 GMT
Expensive insurance and parts will probably force ICE cars off the road well before 15 years anyway. People are going to be forced out of private vehicles and into public transport . I think they would be lucky to end up with public transport or any kind of anything. The people running this are complete cretins. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 5, 2024 10:41:46 GMT
Of course it’s not enough to ban ICE cars from being produced and let the old ones gradually die out .
The cult of net zero has to destroy the idea of ICE cars . They know that EVs ,even ones produced in a decade or so , will be inferior to the ICE vehicles that remain .
So they need to destroy the evidence of their own incompetence , idiocy and misguided zealotry.
Meanwhile countries not bound by the doom goblin’s followers will be pumping out CO2 with impunity .
It’s crazy.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 5, 2024 11:41:59 GMT
Expensive insurance and parts will probably force ICE cars off the road well before 15 years anyway. People are going to be forced out of private vehicles and into public transport . You won't need public transport in your 15 minute neighbourhood - you will be allowed a pushbike and (if you are lucky) a permit to leave once a month.. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 5, 2024 11:43:43 GMT
That would be absolutely insane.
The carbon footprint of building a brand new car is equivalent to fifty thousand miles of travelling in a second hand car.
Keeping older vehicles on the road is demonstrably better for the environment.
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 5, 2024 12:20:29 GMT
Just to introduce a little reality to the hysteria:
"The European Commission’s office in Spain has clarified that the proposal does not intend to prevent necessary engine repairs or replacements in standard cars.
The regulation specifies conditions under which a vehicle is deemed technically irreparable or residual. These include extensive damage, such as being cut, welded, burnt, submerged, or exhibiting irreversible technical defects.
Controversially, a vehicle requiring major part replacements or whose repair costs exceed its market value could also be classified as residual."
Of course the EU is not alone in wanting to remove old, highly-polluting vehicles off the roads. Singapore, for example, only allows vehicles to be registered for ten years after which they must be scrapped or exported.
I know many Brexiteers are fans of the idea of the UK becoming the 'Singapore on the Thames' so how about adopting this very sensible idea as part of the package? Along with the death penalty for possesion of more than 28g of cannabis or flogging for importing pornography?
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 5, 2024 12:21:19 GMT
That would be absolutely insane. The carbon footprint of building a brand new car is equivalent to fifty thousand miles of travelling in a second hand car. Keeping older vehicles on the road is demonstrably better for the environment. It's not about the environment. It's about control. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 5, 2024 12:26:17 GMT
You mean like requiring an annual MoT test?
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Post by Vinny on Feb 5, 2024 12:36:14 GMT
You mean like requiring an annual MoT test? MOT tests are a good thing, they help maintain roadworthiness. Making servicing illegal would be an extremely bad thing resulting in a lot of waste. Any idea of the damage it would do to force the scrapping of millions of repairable cars? Not only would it make people a lot poorer, as a brand new car costs a hell of a lot more than a repair, but second hand cars would become worthless. It would cause destitution. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 5, 2024 12:42:46 GMT
But Vinny, what if people just carry on repairing ICE cars for years and years rather than buying new BEVS that have about a tenth of the functionality?
A nightmare scenario.
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Post by Bentley on Feb 5, 2024 13:02:11 GMT
Just to introduce a little reality to the hysteria: "The European Commission’s office in Spain has clarified that the proposal does not intend to prevent necessary engine repairs or replacements in standard cars. The regulation specifies conditions under which a vehicle is deemed technically irreparable or residual. These include extensive damage, such as being cut, welded, burnt, submerged, or exhibiting irreversible technical defects. Controversially, a vehicle requiring major part replacements or whose repair costs exceed its market value could also be classified as residual."Of course the EU is not alone in wanting to remove old, highly-polluting vehicles off the roads. Singapore, for example, only allows vehicles to be registered for ten years after which they must be scrapped or exported. I know many Brexiteers are fans of the idea of the UK becoming the 'Singapore on the Thames' so how about adopting this very sensible idea as part of the package? Along with the death penalty for possesion of more than 28g of cannabis or flogging for importing pornography? Yup. Find a way to make fitting spare parts expensive then raise road tax and insurance premiums . Would any potential repairer be required to assess the cost of repair and compare it to the residual value before going ahead ? This is just another way around scrapping cars that does not comply with the Net zero nuts agenda. I had a car produced in 2002 that is still ULEZ compliant but I doubt that is worth much . |
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