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Post by zanygame on Feb 6, 2024 8:26:00 GMT
I was reading an article in the Times at the weekend about a family of four who traveled to the French Alps for a skiing holiday. Being eco-conscious, they decided to go by train which took 14 hours as opposed to 5 by air, but meant they emitted just 40 kg of CO2 versus 1600 by flying. They said they enjoyed the rail journey as well, especially the kids who got to see much more of the world than they would otherwise have done. So it's not all downside. I wonder where they live? I've done it by train and it took about 9 hours. People also forget the transfers from the airports to the resorts are longer than from train stations. These often add a couple of hours to the journey. I think the 5 hour plane journey is optimistic. For us in Cambridge to Stansted airport 60 min. Arrive 90 min before flight. 90 min flight. leave airport 30 min. await transfer bus 30min transfer to resort 90 mins 6.5 hours |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 6, 2024 10:20:26 GMT
It's really nice to hear someone who has travelled a lot more than the rest of us telling us all about the advantages of public transport. How does the cost compare?; I just checked this. For the same day on London to Lyon - cheapest on the train was £113 - flying was £54 Timing is everything when it comes to booking travel. Rather than trusting my memory yet further I looked up the article again:
In summary:
The route and timing:
I'd just note also that pre-Covid Eurostar was running direct trains from London to the Alps (Grenoble) using the TGV link that bypasses Paris via CDG. It seems they might start doing so again.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 6, 2024 12:19:16 GMT
I dont know where she was getting the airline price from - if you book today for return flights in april its £58 each (on easy from LGW). So total airfare for 4 people is £232.
Some distance short of her £820
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 6, 2024 12:35:23 GMT
I'll tell her to book with you next time.
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Post by Steve on Feb 6, 2024 13:50:21 GMT
I'll tell her to book with you next time. I suggest tell her to not lie/be disingenuous |
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Post by bancroft on Feb 6, 2024 13:51:02 GMT
All EU countries have special rules for classic cars 'old timers' twenty or more years old as long as they're not in daily use. Nothing will change in that area. It's in everybody's interest to drive marginal cars (and marginal owners) off the roads. They'll be less crowded, less polluted and less dangerous. What's not to like? This is why we have emissions tests as part of the MOT? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 6, 2024 18:28:33 GMT
If it comes to pass that older cars are banned from being repaired, and I can see a Labour government enforcing this sort of EU authoritarianism, then I think we will go without and rely on cabs. At the moment my car is 14 years old and Mrs R's is 16 years old we both like them and don't want to change them. Both are very economical and reliable, well OK I'm not sure how economical mine is, a moot point perhaps. But if either of them needed repair and the government decree they have to be scrapped because they're old, then I'm fairly sure we would not replace it.
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Post by zanygame on Feb 6, 2024 19:38:15 GMT
If it comes to pass that older cars are banned from being repaired, and I can see a Labour government enforcing this sort of EU authoritarianism, then I think we will go without and rely on cabs. At the moment my car is 14 years old and Mrs R's is 16 years old we both like them and don't want to change them. Both are very economical and reliable, well OK I'm not sure how economical mine is, a moot point perhaps. But if either of them needed repair and the government decree they have to be scrapped because they're old, then I'm fairly sure we would not replace it. A 14 year old Range Rover economical. You do tell em. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 6, 2024 19:47:08 GMT
If it comes to pass that older cars are banned from being repaired, and I can see a Labour government enforcing this sort of EU authoritarianism, then I think we will go without and rely on cabs. At the moment my car is 14 years old and Mrs R's is 16 years old we both like them and don't want to change them. Both are very economical and reliable, well OK I'm not sure how economical mine is, a moot point perhaps. But if either of them needed repair and the government decree they have to be scrapped because they're old, then I'm fairly sure we would not replace it. A 14 year old Range Rover economical. You do tell em. LOL, shut yer gob. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 6, 2024 20:23:27 GMT
A 14 year old Range Rover economical. You do tell em. LOL, shut yer gob.  |
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 7, 2024 7:10:15 GMT
There was talk years ago about the EU making rules about spare parts being of OEM specification. This would have made most cars over 15 years old unrepairable. The classic car mags were up in arms about it but it never actually saw the light of day. In the case of BEVs it's almost irrelevant because the depreciation is so high and the cost of most of the major parts are so high that any failure leads to them being "uneconomic repair".
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Post by bancroft on Feb 7, 2024 16:44:03 GMT
If it comes to pass that older cars are banned from being repaired, and I can see a Labour government enforcing this sort of EU authoritarianism, then I think we will go without and rely on cabs. At the moment my car is 14 years old and Mrs R's is 16 years old we both like them and don't want to change them. Both are very economical and reliable, well OK I'm not sure how economical mine is, a moot point perhaps. But if either of them needed repair and the government decree they have to be scrapped because they're old, then I'm fairly sure we would not replace it. A 14 year old Range Rover economical. You do tell em. I think there will be marches against that and the industry must be worth billions. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 7, 2024 16:48:53 GMT
So let’s ask the question again.
If EVs are a better option for car owners , why do ICE vehicles need to be banned in the near future ?
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Post by zanygame on Feb 7, 2024 19:21:24 GMT
So let’s ask the question again. If EVs are a better option for car owners , why do ICE vehicles need to be banned in the near future ? Rinse repeat. Its so boring. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 7, 2024 19:29:20 GMT
So let’s ask the question again. If EVs are a better option for car owners , why do ICE vehicles need to be banned in the near future ? Rinse repeat. It’s so boring. The net zero zealots evasion , you mean? |
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