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Post by Bentley on Feb 5, 2024 17:51:25 GMT
Is unrestricted personal mobility using the petroleum-powered conveyance of your choice a universal human right? Does it make sense to organise society on such principles in a crowded and resource-poor region like Europe? Well at least you are honest enough to acknowledge the great unwashed are being forced off the road . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 5, 2024 17:55:32 GMT
That would be absolutely insane. The carbon footprint of building a brand new car is equivalent to fifty thousand miles of travelling in a second hand car. Keeping older vehicles on the road is demonstrably better for the environment. This is why we left the EU.
At least we now have the power to stop this crap affecting us.
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 5, 2024 18:04:35 GMT
If we were serious about the environment we would be focusing on reducing the population (cars and people).
The UK is not the USA with its endless open vistas and a cornucopia of natural resources to gorge ourselves on. The trouble is too many people think we are and that by exiting the EU we can repeal the laws of nature and physics.
Not so.
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Post by Orac on Feb 5, 2024 18:07:53 GMT
Is unrestricted personal mobility using the petroleum-powered conveyance of your choice a universal human right? Does it make sense to organise society on such principles in a crowded and resource-poor region like Europe? I take it they didn't |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 5, 2024 18:08:47 GMT
No, by leaving the EU we got our sovereignty back.
That provides for immigration controls.
That provides for independent trade agreements and independent laws.
It does not in itself provide competent government willing to exercise our sovereignty.
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Post by Vinny on Feb 5, 2024 18:10:47 GMT
What has the decision on whether a car is economically repairable got to do with the Government?. If you have a car worth £2,000 and suddenly it needs a new gearbox that will cost £3,000 why should you be legally prevented from carrying out that repair if you so wish? This is simply a move to force people out of existing cars and onto public transport - all hail the god of Net Zero. What's so awful about that? There are a lot of places not adequately covered by public transport. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 5, 2024 18:11:05 GMT
Is unrestricted personal mobility using the petroleum-powered conveyance of your choice a universal human right? Does it make sense to organise society on such principles in a crowded and resource-poor region like Europe? I take it they didn't They being whom? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 5, 2024 18:12:26 GMT
What's so awful about that? There are a lot of places not adequately covered by public transport. Amongst the vast array of problems confronting the UK this is one of the easiest to solve. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 5, 2024 18:12:27 GMT
If we were serious about the environment we would be focusing on reducing the population (cars and people). The UK is not the USA with its endless open vistas and a cornucopia of natural resources to gorge ourselves on. The trouble is too many people think we are and that by exiting the EU we can repeal the laws of nature and physics. Not so. Much of what we need is in Africa and South America. The natural resources in the EU land are likely pretty depleted by now. Europe was one of the first areas to industrialise. The UK was the first. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 5, 2024 18:16:05 GMT
What has the decision on whether a car is economically repairable got to do with the Government?. If you have a car worth £2,000 and suddenly it needs a new gearbox that will cost £3,000 why should you be legally prevented from carrying out that repair if you so wish? This is simply a move to force people out of existing cars and onto public transport - all hail the god of Net Zero. What's so awful about that? Simply unaffordable - but that has not stopped any of the other Net Zero nonsense. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 5, 2024 18:16:11 GMT
What you mean is much of what we need to sustain our current hyper-consumerist consumption patterns is in Africa and South America. That's as may be but it doesn't mean we have to continue blindly down the same rut until we either poison ourselves or run out of stuff.
There are alternative pathways to choose from.
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 5, 2024 18:18:25 GMT
What's so awful about that? Simply unaffordable - but that has not stopped any of the other Net Zero nonsense. Other European countries have developed vastly superior public transport systems to the UK but still manage to genuflect to the Net Zero dogma. How is it that possible?
You seem to think it's either-or, why?
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 5, 2024 18:20:29 GMT
Simply unaffordable - but that has not stopped any of the other Net Zero nonsense. Other European countries have developed vastly superior public transport systems to the UK but still manage to genuflect to the Net Zero dogma. How is it that possible?
You seem to think it's either-or, why?
I'm not the one suggesting expensive measures to force people out of their cars. And no country in Europe has a public transport system that can replace cars. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 5, 2024 18:22:45 GMT
There are a lot of places not adequately covered by public transport. Amongst the vast array of problems confronting the UK this is one of the easiest to solve. Lets say you're at Mertyn in Wales and want to get to Liverpool. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 5, 2024 18:22:47 GMT
Who is talking about replacing cars? I'm talking about reducing their numbers.
One way to do that is to invest in a 21st railway system.
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