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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 5, 2024 7:22:59 GMT
I was listening to "Sunday" on R4 yesterday and Edward Stourton was talking to some vicar about whether conversion to Christianity was common. He said that about 40 of the asylums seekers on the BiBi Stockolm were either converted or in the process of converting to Christianity. Stourton was amazed - as was I. Apparently there are about 300 of these illegals on the barge, so that's a very significant percentage. It's apparently quite common. They have a chapel in the BiBi and regualr training courses are given. We ARE crazy.
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 5, 2024 10:36:41 GMT
I was listening to "Sunday" on R4 yesterday and Edward Stourton was talking to some vicar about whether conversion to Christianity was common. He said that about 40 of the asylums seekers on the BiBi Stockolm were either converted or in the process of converting to Christianity. Stourton was amazed - as was I. Apparently there are about 300 of these illegals on the barge, so that's a very significant percentage. It's apparently quite common. They have a chapel in the BiBi and regualr training courses are given. We ARE crazy. What do you mean Crazy are you saying it's not Christians responsibility to evangelise |
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Post by wapentake on Feb 5, 2024 10:45:35 GMT
I was listening to "Sunday" on R4 yesterday and Edward Stourton was talking to some vicar about whether conversion to Christianity was common. He said that about 40 of the asylums seekers on the BiBi Stockolm were either converted or in the process of converting to Christianity. Stourton was amazed - as was I. Apparently there are about 300 of these illegals on the barge, so that's a very significant percentage. It's apparently quite common. They have a chapel in the BiBi and regualr training courses are given. We ARE crazy. What do you mean Crazy are you saying it's not Christians responsibility to evangelise No I guess he means we are crazy because we are doing nothing to stop the boats |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 5, 2024 11:01:14 GMT
What do you mean Crazy are you saying it's not Christians responsibility to evangelise No I guess he means we are crazy because we are doing nothing to stop the boats What can they do to stop them. By legal. Means |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 5, 2024 11:06:00 GMT
No I guess he means we are crazy because we are doing nothing to stop the boats By legal. Means Ram their dinghys lefty old bean and let them swim back to France. |
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Post by wapentake on Feb 5, 2024 11:15:27 GMT
No I guess he means we are crazy because we are doing nothing to stop the boats What can they do to stop them. By legal. Means Set up an office near Calais to take asylum claims,make it clear any arriving by boat will be deported immediately. Campaign to change asylum rules, movement of people is going to swamp Europe and here if we do nothing. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 5, 2024 11:23:53 GMT
What can they do to stop them. By legal. Means Set up an office near Calais to take asylum claims,make it clear any arriving by boat will be deported immediately. Campaign to change asylum rules, movement of people is going to swamp Europe and here if we do nothing. Haven't the EU done that with a agreement with Turkey and has far I know it's not stopped the Boats crossing. The med but they still cross. And surly deportation them.straight away. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 5, 2024 11:25:40 GMT
What can they do to stop them.By legal. Means Ram their dinghys lefty old bean and let them swim back to France. Yea surly that's only.legal. im your mind. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 5, 2024 11:33:22 GMT
Ram their dinghys lefty old bean and let them swim back to France. Yea surly that's only.legal. im your mind. lol. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 5, 2024 11:37:21 GMT
Ram their dinghys lefty old bean and let them swim back to France. Yea surly that's only.legal. im your mind. Any country is entitled to safegaurd their terittorial wates as they see fit lefty old bean. |
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Post by dappy on Feb 5, 2024 11:59:55 GMT
What can they do to stop them. By legal. Means Set up an office near Calais to take asylum claims,make it clear any arriving by boat will be deported immediately. Campaign to change asylum rules, movement of people is going to swamp Europe and here if we do nothing. Indeed that is the beginnings of the right answer, Wapentake. There should be no reason to then travel by boat but make it a condition of the deal with France that any who do can be returned to France. Then review acceptance and modernise guidelines on acceptance of asylum claims (mirroring rules used in other western countries), invest in and train up enough processors to make reasonably quick decisions and agree with France that any failed seekers that have come through this route are returned to them. Can even process claims overseas if you want but only if claims processed quickly and successful applicants then come here. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 5, 2024 12:06:23 GMT
Yea surly that's only.legal. im your mind. Any country is entitled to safegaurd their terittorial wates as they see fit leflty old bean. Really where do you get that from.. Surly it's got to. Be within a legal. Framework. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 5, 2024 12:13:28 GMT
Set up an office near Calais to take asylum claims,make it clear any arriving by boat will be deported immediately. Campaign to change asylum rules, movement of people is going to swamp Europe and here if we do nothing. Indeed that is the beginnings of the right answer, Wapentake. There should be no reason to then travel by boat but make it a condition of the deal with France that any who do can be returned to France. Then review acceptance and modernise guidelines on acceptance of asylum claims (mirroring rules used in other western countries), invest in and train up enough processors to make reasonably quick decisions and agree with France that any failed seekers that have come through this route are returned to them. Can even process claims overseas if you want but only if claims processed quickly and successful applicants then come here. Don't get your point why Should France accept refuges they don't won't either. Isn't that just pushing our problem.onto.someone else Especially seeing the Refugees don't want to stay in France and have every right to Apply for Asylum. In what Country they want. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 5, 2024 12:48:06 GMT
I was listening to "Sunday" on R4 yesterday and Edward Stourton was talking to some vicar about whether conversion to Christianity was common. He said that about 40 of the asylums seekers on the BiBi Stockolm were either converted or in the process of converting to Christianity. Stourton was amazed - as was I. Apparently there are about 300 of these illegals on the barge, so that's a very significant percentage. It's apparently quite common. They have a chapel in the BiBi and regualr training courses are given. We ARE crazy. What do you mean Crazy are you saying it's not Christians responsibility to evangelise I'm saying that it is not the job of the C of E clergy to hand out certificates to muslims to say that they're now muslim - because they've gone through some daft course and can now spout a lot of nonsense about what the Holy Trinity is. It's the job of the Home Office to find out if they're just trying to cheat the asylum system and absolutely NO ONE can say if a person has converted from Islam. It's just an obvious ploy that should be ignored. |
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Post by dappy on Feb 5, 2024 12:50:30 GMT
Indeed that is the beginnings of the right answer, Wapentake. There should be no reason to then travel by boat but make it a condition of the deal with France that any who do can be returned to France. Then review acceptance and modernise guidelines on acceptance of asylum claims (mirroring rules used in other western countries), invest in and train up enough processors to make reasonably quick decisions and agree with France that any failed seekers that have come through this route are returned to them. Can even process claims overseas if you want but only if claims processed quickly and successful applicants then come here. Don't get your point why Should France accept refuges they don't won't either. Isn't that just pushing our problem.onto.someone else Especially seeing the Refugees don't want to stay in France and have every right to Apply for Asylum. In what Country they want. They would be applying for asylum in the UK but physically doing so in Calais rather than Dover. |
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