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Post by dappy on Dec 11, 2022 10:32:56 GMT
You don’t think that France scoring their late goal (while Foden and Saka were still on the pitch) swung momentum in their favour? Or that Kane missing his penalty (with Foden on the pitch) May have had an impact? Perhaps the mid game transfer of both Kane and Lloris from Spurs to Arsenal was an issue? The sheer ignorance is extraordinary.
In the last tournament a guy with black skin missed a penalty and the racists took their opportunity to hammer black people. Should we blame white people for Kane missing his penalty and Maguire deflecting in France’s winner?
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Post by buccaneer on Dec 11, 2022 10:38:27 GMT
Only someone like you could race-bait a football match. Well done you idiot.
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Post by dappy on Dec 11, 2022 10:43:09 GMT
Were you around when England lost the Euros final two years ago Buccaneer?
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Post by Steve on Dec 11, 2022 11:24:39 GMT
. . . Perhaps the mid game transfer of both Kane and Lloris from Spurs to Arsenal was an issue? The sheer ignorance is extraordinary. . . .  Sadly though that wit will probably not be understood by its target. But then he was off his trolley about Joe Root too. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 11, 2022 11:34:05 GMT
France always looked more threatening than England when they were in attack mode. I respectfully disagree Tor. Yes, France always looked a threat on the counter attack especially in the first half when we were a goal down. However, I thought they were rattled for a sizeable portion of the second half as they played many aimless balls to the by-line and ceded possession easily. I think there was a critical moment in the match, and it was Southgate's decision to haul off both Saka and Foden. Saka was winning free-kick upon free -kick and Hernandez? was struggling to deal with him as Mbappe wasn't tracking back and supporting him. Foden was technically good and a real live wire. Once these two came off our creativeness, fluidity and momentum halted, and I bet the French were glad to see the back of them. These gave them more impetus to get back in the game and I believe Southgate's decision swung the momentum back into France's favour. Saka was our best player last night. That's why he was fouled so much. I like Sterling but bringing him on cold so near the end to replace Saka was a mistake. Southgate just felt like he had to do something. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 11, 2022 11:48:32 GMT
Hard to stay sad when I can watch this any time I'm feeling down about our exit.
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Post by Steve on Dec 11, 2022 11:54:48 GMT
I respectfully disagree Tor. Yes, France always looked a threat on the counter attack especially in the first half when we were a goal down. However, I thought they were rattled for a sizeable portion of the second half as they played many aimless balls to the by-line and ceded possession easily. I think there was a critical moment in the match, and it was Southgate's decision to haul off both Saka and Foden. Saka was winning free-kick upon free -kick and Hernandez? was struggling to deal with him as Mbappe wasn't tracking back and supporting him. Foden was technically good and a real live wire. Once these two came off our creativeness, fluidity and momentum halted, and I bet the French were glad to see the back of them. These gave them more impetus to get back in the game and I believe Southgate's decision swung the momentum back into France's favour. Saka was our best player last night. That's why he was fouled so much. I like Sterling but bringing him on cold so near the end to replace Saka was a mistake. Southgate just felt like he had to do something. Yes I thought Saka was still up for another 30 minutes (as was Foden). Sterling did OK though, neither was as good as Griezmann I'd say either Walker or Stones was our best player. |
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Post by vlk on Dec 11, 2022 12:45:25 GMT
Kane at least didn't storm off the pitch straight to the dressing-room but he stayed on and thanked the fans and consoled his team-mates.
The same couldn't be said about the captain of another team which lost yesterday.
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Post by buccaneer on Dec 11, 2022 19:49:25 GMT
Were you around when England lost the Euros final two years ago Buccaneer? You've barely been in this thread to discuss the football. You suddenly drop in and turn this thread into a race-baiting discussion. I'd sooner discuss and banter the beautiful game with the Jocks on this board than indulge your tripe. |
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Post by buccaneer on Dec 11, 2022 19:53:32 GMT
I respectfully disagree Tor. Yes, France always looked a threat on the counter attack especially in the first half when we were a goal down. However, I thought they were rattled for a sizeable portion of the second half as they played many aimless balls to the by-line and ceded possession easily. I think there was a critical moment in the match, and it was Southgate's decision to haul off both Saka and Foden. Saka was winning free-kick upon free -kick and Hernandez? was struggling to deal with him as Mbappe wasn't tracking back and supporting him. Foden was technically good and a real live wire. Once these two came off our creativeness, fluidity and momentum halted, and I bet the French were glad to see the back of them. These gave them more impetus to get back in the game and I believe Southgate's decision swung the momentum back into France's favour. Saka was our best player last night. That's why he was fouled so much. I like Sterling but bringing him on cold so near the end to replace Saka was a mistake. Southgate just felt like he had to do something. Totally agree. It was like he made the changes for the sake of it. I don't remember the exact timeline of the subs but we became more disjointed and less threatening when Saka and Foden went off IMO. Never mind. Back to the real stuff on Boxing Day. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 11, 2022 23:16:31 GMT
I can think of a dozen reasons why I might go, or not go, to a sporting event.
Interest in the game, cost, ability to take the time off and how much fun it might be are high in the list
How they treated the guest workers and slaves who constructed the stadium are exceedingly low on the list. How they might treat me as a tourist is much higher.
As an example I’ll never take an all inclusive in Spain.
I’ve never taken one in mainland Spain or the Balearics anyway, I have done the Canaries but I don’t know what the Canaries are doing in regard to recent restrictions.
My idea of a holiday includes a mix of getting out and about and seeing stuff including historical and cultural stuff mixed with simply relaxing by a pool with the kindle and an all inclusive beer or spirit mixer simply because I want to do nothing more. The Spanish now ban all inclusive drinks outside mealtimes. This utterly violates my view of a holiday so they can go swivel.
So there we go. I don’t give a flying one about the way they treat workers or others. It’s how they treat me as a tourist that counts.
Having said that, the gulf states don’t remotely appeal. Too bloody hot end of
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Post by Steve on Dec 12, 2022 0:08:43 GMT
So piss off from this thread John and leave it to those who are interested
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Post by Steve on Dec 12, 2022 0:09:28 GMT
Saka was our best player last night. That's why he was fouled so much. I like Sterling but bringing him on cold so near the end to replace Saka was a mistake. Southgate just felt like he had to do something. Totally agree. It was like he made the changes for the sake of it. I don't remember the exact timeline of the subs but we became more disjointed and less threatening when Saka and Foden went off IMO. Never mind. Back to the real stuff on Boxing Day. Subs came on in the 79th minute IE a minute after the French scored their second goal |
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Post by buccaneer on Dec 12, 2022 7:48:01 GMT
Totally agree. It was like he made the changes for the sake of it. I don't remember the exact timeline of the subs but we became more disjointed and less threatening when Saka and Foden went off IMO. Never mind. Back to the real stuff on Boxing Day. Subs came on in the 79th minute IE a minute after the French scored their second goal Yeah, I can't recollect who and when came off in the 79th. I know Stones went off as well. Henderson for Mount (who won the pen). Did Saka and Foden go off together in the 79th? Either way, I thought those two were causing the French enough trouble so as to leave them on. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 12, 2022 7:57:00 GMT
You don’t think that France scoring their late goal (while Foden and Saka were still on the pitch) swung momentum in their favour? Or that Kane missing his penalty (with Foden on the pitch) May have had an impact? Perhaps the mid game transfer of both Kane and Lloris from Spurs to Arsenal was an issue? The sheer ignorance is extraordinary.  I don't claim to know much about football, but my point was that our penalty taker and the French goalie play for the same club. I'd say that Lloris's knowledge of how Kane takes penalties may have given him the advantage and may have made Kane more nervous than normal. I could be wrong but I wonder if Southgate even considered that fact. My opinion is a general one that Southgate is a useless manager. The match where all the Black players missed their penalties was another example of Southgate's stupidity - the players had only just come on and had hardly touched the ball. (BTW nearly all of the nasty tweets about then came from abroad). And Saka was obviously our most dangerous player in the France game, but Southgate took him off. Southgate has the pick of some of the best players in the world and achieves very little because he picks the wrong players. Croatia, with a population of 4 million, is doing better than us. We're underperforming but it seems that Southgate is going to be kept on. And it does remind me a lot of the England cricket team who were losing nearly every match until they changed the management (and the captain) but left the team effectively unchanged and suddenly started winning. Anyone who's ever been involved in sport at a reasonably high level knows that it's the attitude of the players that determines how well they do. It goes without saying that to do well you have to be a "good" player - but the difference betwen winning and losing is "attitude". Champions can win even when they're playing badly. There's a very good book on tennis called "Winning Ugly" which is about the art of beating people who are better than you. Southgate should read it. It's all in the mind. |
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I don't claim to know much about football, but my point was that our penalty taker and the French goalie play for the same club. I'd say that Lloris's knowledge of how Kane takes penalties may have given him the advantage and may have made Kane more nervous than normal. I could be wrong but I wonder if Southgate even considered that fact.