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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 31, 2024 20:34:18 GMT
I'm not sure what you hope to achieve by mentioning that Monte. Just highlighting Canada's distain for animal rights. You are quite wrong, I remember... cant remember what they were called, Fish & Wildlife inspectors something like that, but I remember them enthusiastically prosecuting their duties hundreds of miles out in the wilderness. Yes you could catch certain fish and hunt certain animals at certain times of the year, but the penalties for breaking the rules were severe, and the rules were many. You couldn't just wander off into the wilderness and shoot anything. |
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Post by Steve on Jan 31, 2024 21:53:48 GMT
Just highlighting Canada's distain for animal rights. You are quite wrong, I remember... cant remember what they were called, Fish & Wildlife inspectors something like that, but I remember them enthusiastically prosecuting their duties hundreds of miles out in the wilderness. Yes you could catch certain fish and hunt certain animals at certain times of the year, but the penalties for breaking the rules were severe, and the rules were many. You couldn't just wander off into the wilderness and shoot anything. But you can go and club hundreds of thousands of baby seals a year because Canada's government says that's legal and turns a blind eye to further illegal killing. www.humanesociety.org/resources/about-canadian-seal-hunt |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 31, 2024 22:06:25 GMT
You are quite wrong, I remember... cant remember what they were called, Fish & Wildlife inspectors something like that, but I remember them enthusiastically prosecuting their duties hundreds of miles out in the wilderness. Yes you could catch certain fish and hunt certain animals at certain times of the year, but the penalties for breaking the rules were severe, and the rules were many. You couldn't just wander off into the wilderness and shoot anything. But you can go and club hundreds of thousands of baby seals a year because Canada's government says that's legal and turns a blind eye to further illegal killing. www.humanesociety.org/resources/about-canadian-seal-huntSadly I cant do anything about it. I assume you have made representations to the Canadian High Commission in London?.. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 31, 2024 22:18:26 GMT
UK military bearskins are sourced from pelts from bears killed during normal authorised bear culling hunts by the Canadian Government. ..No bears were killed to make this hat. Which of these bearskins came from a bear that is still living, or its remains made useful in other ways…? You cull Bears in Canada like we cull Deer in the UK - to control the population. Using all the parts of a Bear that has been culled is the environmentally friendly thing to do. |
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Post by patman post on Feb 1, 2024 10:40:36 GMT
Which of these bearskins came from a bear that is still living, or its remains made useful in other ways…? You cull Bears in Canada like we cull Deer in the UK - to control the population. Using all the parts of a Bear that has been culled is the environmentally friendly thing to do. Seems surprising that black bears survived for so long before Canada became settled by Europeans. They are classified as endangered in parts of the US. How many deer would have needed to be culled had new species not been introduced into the UK and fallow and roe husbanded for profit…? |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 1, 2024 11:22:48 GMT
You cull Bears in Canada like we cull Deer in the UK - to control the population. Using all the parts of a Bear that has been culled is the environmentally friendly thing to do. Seems surprising that black bears survived for so long before Canada became settled by Europeans. They are classified as endangered in parts of the US. How many deer would have needed to be culled had new species not been introduced into the UK and fallow and roe husbanded for profit…? Bears in Canada are culled for the same reason that we cull wild Deer in the UK. Are you against using the component parts of Deers that have been culled over here? - should we just throw the entire carcass into landfill? |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 1, 2024 11:26:08 GMT
You don't say where these pictures come from — or whether you've actually witnessed this for yourself. They don't look anything like the farm I saw in France, which seemed to look after the birds (geese and ducks) just as humanely as any cattle, pigs and sheep also being reared for the table. And the birds weren't kept in cages. I don't doubt there are rogue producers and slaughtering taking place — and there's plenty of vegan and vegetarian propaganda online, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying animal products (got from reputable outlets) from animals that have been selectively bred with aberrations particularly for the table. As an aside, have you seen TV programmes showing birds and other creatures, swallow prey that almost looks bigger than themselves...? You visited ONE farm, and thought they were all the same? |
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Post by patman post on Feb 1, 2024 12:10:32 GMT
You don't say where these pictures come from — or whether you've actually witnessed this for yourself. They don't look anything like the farm I saw in France, which seemed to look after the birds (geese and ducks) just as humanely as any cattle, pigs and sheep also being reared for the table. And the birds weren't kept in cages. I don't doubt there are rogue producers and slaughtering taking place — and there's plenty of vegan and vegetarian propaganda online, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying animal products (got from reputable outlets) from animals that have been selectively bred with aberrations particularly for the table. As an aside, have you seen TV programmes showing birds and other creatures, swallow prey that almost looks bigger than themselves...? You visited ONE farm, and thought they were all the same? I personally visited the geese rearing section of one farm in a region of France known for its production of foie gras. I didn't get my info second hand from Google.
Seeing the lack of concern by the birds at the workers and food around them, I don't see why any cruelty would be needed. However, I'm a dairy, egg and meat eater, and accept that with all livestock farming and animal slaughter, there will be instances of cruelty... |
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Post by patman post on Feb 1, 2024 12:20:23 GMT
Seems surprising that black bears survived for so long before Canada became settled by Europeans. They are classified as endangered in parts of the US. How many deer would have needed to be culled had new species not been introduced into the UK and fallow and roe husbanded for profit…? Are you against using the component parts of Deers that have been culled over here? - should we just throw the entire carcass into landfill? I don't doubt the reasons for bear culling in Canada are similar to deer culling in the UK — I'm just querying whether they would be valid had humans not interfered.
I have actually been offered bear meat at a Russian restaurant in Helsinki, but I've no idea if the meat was the primary reason for the animal's slaughter.
We need Globe-trotting Wheelie Nick from another place to let us know about Russian meat retailing and consumption...
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Post by Vinny on Feb 1, 2024 13:09:59 GMT
You visited ONE farm, and thought they were all the same? I personally visited the geese rearing section of one farm in a region of France known for its production of foie gras. I didn't get my info second hand from Google.
Seeing the lack of concern by the birds at the workers and food around them, I don't see why any cruelty would be needed. However, I'm a dairy, egg and meat eater, and accept that with all livestock farming and animal slaughter, there will be instances of cruelty... That was only one farm. It's the equivalent of judging ALL Muslims on the basis of Al Qaeda. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 1, 2024 13:11:48 GMT
I personally visited the geese rearing section of one farm in a region of France known for its production of foie gras. I didn't get my info second hand from Google.
Seeing the lack of concern by the birds at the workers and food around them, I don't see why any cruelty would be needed. However, I'm a dairy, egg and meat eater, and accept that with all livestock farming and animal slaughter, there will be instances of cruelty... That was only one farm. It's the equivalent of judging ALL Muslims on the basis of Al Qaeda. Could have been a Potemkin farm for tourists. |
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Post by patman post on Feb 1, 2024 13:18:56 GMT
I personally visited the geese rearing section of one farm in a region of France known for its production of foie gras. I didn't get my info second hand from Google.
Seeing the lack of concern by the birds at the workers and food around them, I don't see why any cruelty would be needed. However, I'm a dairy, egg and meat eater, and accept that with all livestock farming and animal slaughter, there will be instances of cruelty... That was only one farm. It's the equivalent of judging ALL Muslims on the basis of Al Qaeda. But at least it was a real working farm personally visited and not a virtual representation in cyberspace created to advocate a position.
But your point is well made — especially on here, as many of the usual suspects appear to equate all Muslims with the views and actions of Al-Qaeda...
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Post by Vinny on Feb 1, 2024 13:28:24 GMT
The process of gavage feeding, is a real process.
It has not been outlawed as a feeding process in France.
Foie gras means fat liver.
It gets fat because the birds are force fed, and then penned in to stop them exercising.
Foie gras is different to other duck or geese liver products because of the fat content.
One farm which was not force feeding, and was not penning ducks and geese in, doesn't provide any reassurance about the process of making foie gras.
It's a very specific product which can only be produced by obesity.
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Post by patman post on Feb 1, 2024 14:23:07 GMT
It's my belief that most farms in France that commercially produce foie gras operate like the one I visited, so I am content to have my foie gras two or three times a year, just as we do suckling pig and white veal.
The PP household must be peopled by barbarians, because we boil living crabs, lobsters and mussels and eat oysters alive...
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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 1, 2024 14:57:40 GMT
It's my belief that most farms in France that commercially produce foie gras operate like the one I visited, so I am content to have my foie gras two or three times a year, just as we do suckling pig and white veal. The PP household must be peopled by barbarians, because we boil living crabs, lobsters and mussels and eat oysters alive... You may be breaking the law. www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lobsters-feel-pain-should-stop-31017003 |
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