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Post by Vinny on Jan 31, 2024 10:43:23 GMT
You know how I oppose foie gras.
Fortunately we now have a total ban on that.
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Post by patman post on Jan 31, 2024 12:52:20 GMT
You know how I oppose foie gras. Fortunately we now have a total ban on that. Although I like foie gras, I was also against it.
Then I saw geese being raised in France to produce it, and the most noticeable feature was the way the birds didn't object to the way they were fed. They appeared to look forward to it.
They weren't force-fed, they were fed as many birds feed themselves — get loaded up with whatever they're feeding on to digest and/or regurgitate later on. I now enjoy foie gras again...
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Post by Vinny on Jan 31, 2024 14:07:59 GMT
They were lucky.  These birds were not so lucky. There's a reason why we banned it.   |
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Post by patman post on Jan 31, 2024 15:05:43 GMT
You don't say where these pictures come from — or whether you've actually witnessed this for yourself. They don't look anything like the farm I saw in France, which seemed to look after the birds (geese and ducks) just as humanely as any cattle, pigs and sheep also being reared for the table. And the birds weren't kept in cages.
I don't doubt there are rogue producers and slaughtering taking place — and there's plenty of vegan and vegetarian propaganda online, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying animal products (got from reputable outlets) from animals that have been selectively bred with aberrations particularly for the table.
As an aside, have you seen TV programmes showing birds and other creatures, swallow prey that almost looks bigger than themselves...?
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 31, 2024 15:28:15 GMT
You know how I oppose foie gras. Fortunately we now have a total ban on that. Quite right too. It's not just cruel it's torture. It's an abhorrent practice, anyone who claims to enjoy foie gras should be forced not only to watch the birds being tortured, but they should be made to do it themselves. The production of fois gras has quite rightly been banned in the UK, but importing it should also be banned. The government have been considering a ban since last Feb, they should pull their fingers out if you ask me. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 31, 2024 17:03:45 GMT
You know how I oppose foie gras. Fortunately we now have a total ban on that. Quite right too. It's not just cruel it's torture. It's an abhorrent practice, anyone who claims to enjoy foie gras should be forced not only to watch the birds being tortured, but they should be made to do it themselves. The production of fois gras has quite rightly been banned in the UK, but importing it should also be banned. The government have been considering a ban since last Feb, they should pull their fingers out if you ask me. What's your opinion on bearskin hats? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 31, 2024 17:15:18 GMT
Quite right too. It's not just cruel it's torture. It's an abhorrent practice, anyone who claims to enjoy foie gras should be forced not only to watch the birds being tortured, but they should be made to do it themselves. The production of fois gras has quite rightly been banned in the UK, but importing it should also be banned. The government have been considering a ban since last Feb, they should pull their fingers out if you ask me. What's your opinion on bearskin hats? Bears are not tortured or hunted to order, rather the pelts are a product of legal and licensed hunting authorised by the Canadian government. |
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Post by patman post on Jan 31, 2024 18:37:24 GMT
What's your opinion on bearskin hats? Bears are not tortured or hunted to order, rather the pelts are a product of legal and licensed hunting authorised by the Canadian government. Once hunters have slaughtered the bears, they may keep parts of their bodies, such as the head or claws, as trophies they imagine to be “macho” and sell or auction off the fur. The Ministry of Defence (MoD) capmakers buy the fur of hunted black bears and use it to make the ceremonial headgear worn by the military. And the headgear no longer has any practical purpose other than to keep alive the illusion of past Empire — it doesn’t even taste good… |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 31, 2024 18:49:09 GMT
UK military bearskins are sourced from pelts from bears killed during normal authorised bear culling hunts by the Canadian Government.
..No bears were killed to make this hat.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 31, 2024 18:53:20 GMT
Bears are not tortured or hunted to order, rather the pelts are a product of legal and licensed hunting authorised by the Canadian government. Once hunters have slaughtered the bears, they may keep parts of their bodies, such as the head or claws, as trophies they imagine to be “macho” and sell or auction off the fur. The Ministry of Defence (MoD) capmakers buy the fur of hunted black bears and use it to make the ceremonial headgear worn by the military. And the headgear no longer has any practical purpose other than to keep alive the illusion of past Empire — it doesn’t even taste good… You choose to describe it as slaughter, the Canadian government call it authorised licensed hunting. Bears will continue to be hunted in Canada regardless of what British Guardsmen wear on their heads. If you are seriously concerned about bear hunting in Canada and who knows, you just might be, may I suggest you register a complaint with the Canadian High Commission in London. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 31, 2024 19:15:58 GMT
They still club seals to death for their pelts.
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Post by patman post on Jan 31, 2024 19:54:48 GMT
UK military bearskins are sourced from pelts from bears killed during normal authorised bear culling hunts by the Canadian Government. ..No bears were killed to make this hat. Which of these bearskins came from a bear that is still living, or its remains made useful in other ways…? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 31, 2024 19:55:12 GMT
They still club seals to death for their pelts. I'm not sure what you hope to achieve by mentioning that Monte. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 31, 2024 19:56:44 GMT
They still club seals to death for their pelts. I'm not sure what you hope to achieve by mentioning that Monte. Just highlighting Canada's distain for animal rights. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jan 31, 2024 20:30:17 GMT
So to sum up, animal health and welfare is only a concern if it's imported from non-EU countries, practises like foie gras on the continent can be excused on anecdotal grounds because it's in the EU.
Okay, got it. Though, it doesn't wash no matter many mental gymnastics of excuses are made re non-EU = bad, EU = good.
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