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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 19, 2024 0:47:02 GMT
No, the sanctions are the appropriate response to shitty dictatorships. Read those books I told you about. Learn just how shit things are in Russia and why it's necessary to sanction the bastards. Shit goes on all around the world, but we still have to trade so we can live comfortably. We would look pretty stupid if we ran out of basic stuff, e.g. copper or similar. BRICS will easily make up for over half the world's land. In the future manufacturing costs will go to almost zero, but commodity prices will likely rise. If you go around isolating yourself you will perish. We must do what we can to get on with as many countries as possible in a civil way. You realise we pick up a lot of enemies simply by being on the side of the US and doing the US' dirty work. By the way, I never saw any UK politician criticise Taiwan. They were a brutal dictatorship until quite recently.
Both Russia and mainland China are far more civilised now. They have moved on from soviet times like Germany has with Hitler. I personally think we should have stayed neutral with Ukraine like China did.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 19, 2024 6:40:00 GMT
More pro Chinese Communist dictatorship propaganda?
Tiananmen square massacre.
Illegal and brutal military occupation of Tibet.
Persecution of the Falun Gong.
Persecution of the Uyghurs.
Persecution of Hong Kong democracy activists.
Abysmal human rights record.
Fuck Xi Jinping and the ruling Communist dictatorship.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 19, 2024 10:33:18 GMT
It will never happen, the UK is controlled by US policy, they know it and so does everyone else. They wouldn't trust a UK government as far as you could throw one. The UK government deserves to be thrown out by the people. Joining the BRICS would be part of a post-defeated government when someone asks what now. Our government are only cunts because they work for US interests and not UK interests. Ask how poor do we need to get before a change is seen as more desirable? The BRICS would end up stronger than the US and the US will crumble in some 30 years by my reckoning. We will go down with it if we carry on as we are. The early bird catches the worm. We left the EU first, so we are somewhat travelling down that road anyway. In BRICS we would gain access to development capital. That's the other thing. The UK is skint. Yes, and as a democracy we can do that. Not so much in places like China and Russia. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2024 10:50:47 GMT
The UK government deserves to be thrown out by the people. Joining the BRICS would be part of a post-defeated government when someone asks what now. Our government are only cunts because they work for US interests and not UK interests. Ask how poor do we need to get before a change is seen as more desirable? The BRICS would end up stronger than the US and the US will crumble in some 30 years by my reckoning. We will go down with it if we carry on as we are. The early bird catches the worm. We left the EU first, so we are somewhat travelling down that road anyway. In BRICS we would gain access to development capital. That's the other thing. The UK is skint. Yes, and as a democracy we can do that. Not so much in places like China and Russia. The problem here is that democracy isn't supported when it goes against the wishes of the totalitarians of the Left, as seen by the outrage over their loss during the EU referendum. These people pushed for a legal dictatorship and still do, and will stop at nothing to get their own way. We had to fight them hard just to save what little actual democracy (direct) we had. Plus, democracy requires all people to take part, but today it's just Labour and Tories who are practically identical and have the bulk of the mainstream media and their civil servants maintaining the status quo. This means it's almost impossible to engage in democratic debate without the BBC smear campaigns. In a sense, we maybe in a worse place. At least with an obvious dictatorship you can see it. Our illusion of democracy under the party system only fools the young, which is why the party system attempts to groom the young. This is why EUphiles constantly attack old people to try and alienate them. It's also why they indoctrinate kids in school.
We really shouldn't be blowing our own trumpet.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 19, 2024 11:04:29 GMT
Yes, and as a democracy we can do that. Not so much in places like China and Russia. The problem here is that democracy isn't supported when it goes against the wishes of the totalitarians of the Left, as seen by the outrage over their loss during the EU referendum. These people pushed for a legal dictatorship and still do, and will stop at nothing to get their own way. We had to fight them hard just to save what little actual democracy (direct) we had. Plus, democracy requires all people to take part, but today it's just Labour and Tories who are practically identical and have the bulk of the mainstream media and their civil servants maintaining the status quo. This means it's almost impossible to engage in democratic debate without the BBC smear campaigns. In a sense, we maybe in a worse place. At least with an obvious dictatorship you can see it. Our illusion of democracy under the party system only fools the young, which is why the party system attempts to groom the young. This is why EUphiles constantly attack old people to try and alienate them. It's also why they indoctrinate kids in school.
We really shouldn't be blowing our own trumpet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2024 11:09:04 GMT
The problem here is that democracy isn't supported when it goes against the wishes of the totalitarians of the Left, as seen by the outrage over their loss during the EU referendum. These people pushed for a legal dictatorship and still do, and will stop at nothing to get their own way. We had to fight them hard just to save what little actual democracy (direct) we had. Plus, democracy requires all people to take part, but today it's just Labour and Tories who are practically identical and have the bulk of the mainstream media and their civil servants maintaining the status quo. This means it's almost impossible to engage in democratic debate without the BBC smear campaigns. In a sense, we maybe in a worse place. At least with an obvious dictatorship you can see it. Our illusion of democracy under the party system only fools the young, which is why the party system attempts to groom the young. This is why EUphiles constantly attack old people to try and alienate them. It's also why they indoctrinate kids in school.
We really shouldn't be blowing our own trumpet.
You sound like Dubs. OK, noted, you're uninterested in an actual discussion and just want to smear people to maintain an echo chamber.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 19, 2024 12:41:09 GMT
Yes, and as a democracy we can do that. Not so much in places like China and Russia. The problem here is that democracy isn't supported when it goes against the wishes of the totalitarians of the Left, as seen by the outrage over their loss during the EU referendum. These people pushed for a legal dictatorship and still do, and will stop at nothing to get their own way. We had to fight them hard just to save what little actual democracy (direct) we had. Plus, democracy requires all people to take part, but today it's just Labour and Tories who are practically identical and have the bulk of the mainstream media and their civil servants maintaining the status quo. This means it's almost impossible to engage in democratic debate without the BBC smear campaigns. In a sense, we maybe in a worse place. At least with an obvious dictatorship you can see it. Our illusion of democracy under the party system only fools the young, which is why the party system attempts to groom the young. This is why EUphiles constantly attack old people to try and alienate them. It's also why they indoctrinate kids in school.
We really shouldn't be blowing our own trumpet.
Two different issues. The EU underwent treaty changes without our democratic consultation, refused reform when Cameron asked for reform and our democratic vote was to leave. But Russia and China are dictatorships which murder the opposition, there are hundreds of thousands of political prisoners and no human rights in either country. Both of which illegally occupy sovereign territories they have no legal rights to. To hell with dictatorships. If it was down to me there'd be no trade with Saudi Arabia either for the same reason. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 19, 2024 13:23:01 GMT
The UK government deserves to be thrown out by the people. Joining the BRICS would be part of a post-defeated government when someone asks what now. Our government are only cunts because they work for US interests and not UK interests. Ask how poor do we need to get before a change is seen as more desirable? The BRICS would end up stronger than the US and the US will crumble in some 30 years by my reckoning. We will go down with it if we carry on as we are. The early bird catches the worm. We left the EU first, so we are somewhat travelling down that road anyway. In BRICS we would gain access to development capital. That's the other thing. The UK is skint. Yes, and as a democracy we can do that. Not so much in places like China and Russia. China is very democratic. It's just a different system of democracy over there. People say China is shit to cover up the greater shit in their own country. I chat to loads of Chinese and they rarely have anything negative to say about their government. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 19, 2024 13:27:38 GMT
Yes, and as a democracy we can do that. Not so much in places like China and Russia. The problem here is that democracy isn't supported when it goes against the wishes of the totalitarians of the Left, as seen by the outrage over their loss during the EU referendum. These people pushed for a legal dictatorship and still do, and will stop at nothing to get their own way. We had to fight them hard just to save what little actual democracy (direct) we had. Plus, democracy requires all people to take part, but today it's just Labour and Tories who are practically identical and have the bulk of the mainstream media and their civil servants maintaining the status quo. This means it's almost impossible to engage in democratic debate without the BBC smear campaigns. In a sense, we maybe in a worse place. At least with an obvious dictatorship you can see it. Our illusion of democracy under the party system only fools the young, which is why the party system attempts to groom the young. This is why EUphiles constantly attack old people to try and alienate them. It's also why they indoctrinate kids in school.
We really shouldn't be blowing our own trumpet.
Yes well I totally support that post. It is exactly how I see things. They are playing us something rotten. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 19, 2024 17:38:24 GMT
China is about as democratic as Eddie Izzard is female.
I.e. not at all.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 19, 2024 18:00:04 GMT
More pro Chinese Communist dictatorship propaganda? Tiananmen square massacre. Illegal and brutal military occupation of Tibet. Persecution of the Falun Gong. Persecution of the Uyghurs. Persecution of Hong Kong democracy activists. Abysmal human rights record. Fuck Xi Jinping and the ruling Communist dictatorship. Queen Square massacre. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 19, 2024 18:03:02 GMT
The UK government deserves to be thrown out by the people. Joining the BRICS would be part of a post-defeated government when someone asks what now. Our government are only cunts because they work for US interests and not UK interests. Ask how poor do we need to get before a change is seen as more desirable? The BRICS would end up stronger than the US and the US will crumble in some 30 years by my reckoning. We will go down with it if we carry on as we are. The early bird catches the worm. We left the EU first, so we are somewhat travelling down that road anyway. In BRICS we would gain access to development capital. That's the other thing. The UK is skint. Yes, and as a democracy we can do that. Not so much in places like China and Russia. The truth is we don't have a democracy right now or else we would not be filling our country with third world dangerous criminals. One thing you get in Chinese cities is safe streets. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 19, 2024 18:04:15 GMT
That's like trying to defend Levi Bellfield with the excuse of but Fred West did bad things too.
Fuck Xi Jinping.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 19, 2024 18:08:13 GMT
China is about as democratic as Eddie Izzard is female. I.e. not at all. It's in their constitution. It goes right back to Mao and what they call a dictatorship of the people. The people dictate to the government. If you were more observant, you would see it happening on a daily basis, but because you don't chat to the Chinese you have no idea what the bulk of the people want and what the government nearly always does is to respond to what they want. It is legal to protest in China as well, but you would not know that because you have been lied to by the BBC et al. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 19, 2024 18:28:40 GMT
Bollocks, it's a one party state and a dictatorship. Just ask the victims of the Tiananmen square massacre, or the Uyghurs.
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