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Post by Vinny on Jan 16, 2024 16:26:25 GMT
No, I propose divestment.
I.e. not trading with weirdos, bullies and psychopaths.
I propose supporting the victims of aggression.
I propose doing business with decent people.
What you propose is akin to the appeasement of Germany in the nineteen thirties.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 16, 2024 16:36:45 GMT
When we talk about services, it's not giving somebody a massage or flipping their burger, but this sort of thing. Many contracts in which the parties are not British or even reside here, and where the agreement concerns matters that have nothing to with England, specify that English law will apply and any dispute will be subject to jurisdiction in an English court. Britain's biggest divorce settlementThe fees here would have been in the tens of millions, certainly more than enough to pay for new Porsches for all the barristers involved. Lawyers are becoming parasites. They don't generate anything, but feed off disputes and dishonesty amongst their clients.
China's government has a system where they look at a piece of potential legislation, and rather than assess it in purely financial ways, they look at its end effects, i.e. all the observables you will see if it is enacted. Maybe we should look at what we produce and what the end effects are. Like it is no good if a piece of legislation gives you a higher salary in an area where the rent increases to swallow it all up. In technology as well, most who do the tech jobs in my area are in military technology. Like lawyers, it is another parasitic endeavour. Killing people does not result in a beneficial contribution. Other tech jobs in this country are for running complicated bureaucratic systems.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 16, 2024 16:40:04 GMT
No, I propose divestment. I.e. not trading with weirdos, bullies and psychopaths. I propose supporting the victims of aggression. I propose doing business with decent people. What you propose is akin to the appeasement of Germany in the nineteen thirties. Market restrictions will put the price of goods up and inflation will mean you will be able to afford less and less guns. We have already seen this with Russia. The price of concrete has gone up about 50% recently.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 16, 2024 16:42:58 GMT
There are enough alternative markets to dictatorships for that not to be a problem. Fuck the BRICS. Fuck Putin. Fuck Xi Jinping.
We don't need cheap Chinese tat.
We don't need to support the Russian warmongers.
Fuck the bastards.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 16, 2024 23:38:36 GMT
There are enough alternative markets to dictatorships for that not to be a problem. Fuck the BRICS. Fuck Putin. Fuck Xi Jinping. We don't need cheap Chinese tat. We don't need to support the Russian warmongers. Fuck the bastards. We need money to keep going as a nation. I don't think you realise how serious it is.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 17, 2024 4:48:37 GMT
We need to prevent Russia from being able to make war against its neighbours or it's world war three.
Putin is trying to rebuild the empire Gorbachev gave up.
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Post by sheepy on Jan 17, 2024 7:13:00 GMT
There are enough alternative markets to dictatorships for that not to be a problem. Fuck the BRICS. Fuck Putin. Fuck Xi Jinping. We don't need cheap Chinese tat. We don't need to support the Russian warmongers. Fuck the bastards. We need money to keep going as a nation. I don't think you realise how serious it is. Of course they don't the Establishment drives them like Sheep. They are treated abysmally by the establishment; they are desperate on the one hand for a way out but on the other are driven deeper into the shit. The establishment have been at war with the people of the UK for a longtime, while telling them things can only get better, at the same time creating more strife for them around the world, which of course just makes things even worse, a vote for us is a vote for change, like feck is it. They all want change they just don't know where they should look for it, you see it in BRICS which is just another way of handing someone else the responsibility.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 17, 2024 15:51:55 GMT
We need money to keep going as a nation. I don't think you realise how serious it is. Of course they don't the Establishment drives them like Sheep. They are treated abysmally by the establishment; they are desperate on the one hand for a way out but on the other are driven deeper into the shit. The establishment have been at war with the people of the UK for a longtime, while telling them things can only get better, at the same time creating more strife for them around the world, which of course just makes things even worse, a vote for us is a vote for change, like feck is it. They all want change they just don't know where they should look for it, you see it in BRICS which is just another way of handing someone else the responsibility. BRICS is an alternative economic and industrial system. Instead of being dictated to by the US, the BRICS decides between the members what they do. You have to have some sort of international structure in order to do global trade efficiently. Back in the old days there was a kind of arms race on protectionist tariffs. BRICS is trying to set up a free market system between members. It's like two systems and a case of which one the UK bets on. By the way, France is quite aligned to that part of the world and the least keen on following the US. It's a matter of whether you think the post-WW2 order is going to last. I mean one problem we have right now is the massive wave of asylum to the UK where the post WW2 asylum process dictates to us. We're already at odds with this club. It has virtually destroyed our country.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 17, 2024 17:32:39 GMT
BRICS is a trade bloc which contains two horrendous human rights abusing dictatorships.
The USA is a democracy a friend and an ally.
Fuck the BRICS.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 17, 2024 18:42:00 GMT
2 members of BRICS are under sanctions regimes so there wont be much trade with them whatever happens - 3 others already do vast amounts of trade with us so why the need to join anything?.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 17, 2024 20:04:06 GMT
Where do you apply to join? On the dotted line.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 18, 2024 15:35:19 GMT
2 members of BRICS are under sanctions regimes so there wont be much trade with them whatever happens - 3 others already do vast amounts of trade with us so why the need to join anything?. We are only sanctioning these countries because we have been forced to by the US. What we really would like is if we had full access to the BRICS trading system and we also traded with our old friends like Europe, Canada, Australia. In economics, one can make most money if one acts as a bridge between two markets that would otherwise not trade with one another. Any economic entity will make money if it helps to make the market more free, or equivalently more balanced and fair. You see if we cooperated with China, then China would use our country as its bridge into European markets. China wants to cut the US out, so rather than their corporations listing in the US they would like to list in London if London were cool with them and treated them fairly.
One thing you really ought to pay attention to is the US national debt and what it will look like in 30 years. The debt to GDP ratio is rising exponentially. Right now it is seen as a cost, but 30 years on that mere cost is going to look like a large proportion of their budget. It's a ticking time bomb. China on the other hand has managed its economy well and it will expand as the BRICS enlarges, much like we saw great riches during the 18c and early 19c when our empire was strong. We were kind of neck and neck with France as the two richest countries in the world. I mean even Russia is subservient to China. This is why Russia will be quite tame if it is not fighting US-created wars. China does not approve of the Ukrainian conflict and had strong business interests in the country prior to this shit. China very much understands peace creates prosperity. On this basis we should make it up with China and that could guide us into a relationship with the BRICS. For a start we would see cheap energy, and cheap steel, cheaper food and so on.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 18, 2024 15:52:19 GMT
2 members of BRICS are under sanctions regimes so there wont be much trade with them whatever happens - 3 others already do vast amounts of trade with us so why the need to join anything?. We are only sanctioning these countries because we have been forced to by the US. What we really would like is if we had full access to the BRICS trading system and we also traded with our old friends like Europe, Canada, Australia. In economics, one can make most money if one acts as a bridge between two markets that would otherwise not trade with one another. Any economic entity will make money if it helps to make the market more free, or equivalently more balanced and fair. You see if we cooperated with China, then China would use our country as its bridge into European markets. China wants to cut the US out, so rather than their corporations listing in the US they would like to list in London if London were cool with them and treated them fairly.
The US are looking at chucking the Chinese companies out of New York this year as the Chinese do not want to give the market regulators access to Company audits - hardly surprising given the amount of fraud and bad debt endemic in the Chinese economy. So London might be getting a boost anyway - dirty Chinese money to replace the dirty Russian money we have lost.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 18, 2024 16:21:49 GMT
We are only sanctioning these countries because we have been forced to by the US. What we really would like is if we had full access to the BRICS trading system and we also traded with our old friends like Europe, Canada, Australia. In economics, one can make most money if one acts as a bridge between two markets that would otherwise not trade with one another. Any economic entity will make money if it helps to make the market more free, or equivalently more balanced and fair. You see if we cooperated with China, then China would use our country as its bridge into European markets. China wants to cut the US out, so rather than their corporations listing in the US they would like to list in London if London were cool with them and treated them fairly.
The US are looking at chucking the Chinese companies out of New York this year as the Chinese do not want to give the market regulators access to Company audits - hardly surprising given the amount of fraud and bad debt endemic in the Chinese economy. So London might be getting a boost anyway - dirty Chinese money to replace the dirty Russian money we have lost. You are making unfounded negative assumptions. Take a firm like DJI. They are very rich and have 70% of the world market in drones. If you study why that is, you will it is much the same reason as firms like CATL and BYD. They are technology-driven. China has some of the best science academia in the world. The likely reason why they don't like increased reporting of what they do is due to leakage in company intelligence. You know about Echelon? That was for the purpose of commercial spying. China just does not trust the US as the US has screwed them over too often.
The City of London is a place known for its confidential treatment of clients. Granted it would have shifted a lot of dodgy Russian money but also many other dodgy countries as well, for example Lord Cruddus made his money out of Iranian banking. (see wiki).
I personally don't see why we should attack China on matters unproven when there is a lot worse going on. China had a lot of shady operators in the early days and the government did not really care because the people were starving and they had to get money from somewhere. For example they did not care the largest computer firm in the country was doing direct rip-offs of Nintendo because as far as they understood, it was bringing in lots of tax money, and of course the government could not do anything without cash. By the late 70s it was verging on bankruptcy. Things have completely turned around now, since the old shady business began to impede wider government goals regarding international relations, it agreed to straighten itself out and it agreed to join the WTO so it could trade with the West in a peaceful fashion. It supported the UN as well, so during this time the government were trying to repair their image and cut down on shady firms. They now have a proper judicial system that is good enough that it gives confidence to Western investors to invest billions of pounds.
Actually the way I see it is as China is moving to a more civilised economy, we in Britain are acquiring third world business practices. Malta knows what that is like when the government did a join oil venture with the Libyans. They said thanks for your investment, the deal is now off. They kept the money and the oil. Also you should watch out for Indian business. They have similarly stuffed the Chinese on deliveries not being paid for.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 18, 2024 23:28:07 GMT
No, the sanctions are the appropriate response to shitty dictatorships.
Read those books I told you about. Learn just how shit things are in Russia and why it's necessary to sanction the bastards.
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