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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 14, 2024 11:06:04 GMT
Pack it in with your copy and pasting, the fact you can't come up with any of 'your own' examples is a testimony to how little you actually know about Starmer/Labour, I am not responding to any more of your posts that are 'copy and paste', you have no substance of your own. Urm wasn't it you who copied and pasted the post above mine Yes it was. You obviously don't like I have the Ability to prove you Wrong . Once again Well at least you posted that ^^ yourself, I can see why you copy and paste, otherwise it would just be a load of crap.
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Post by see2 on Jan 14, 2024 11:09:56 GMT
Utsc It's not a silly question were talking about who has the best ability to rule the United Kingdom Not about devoid Governments rule . Ive proven how Labour will be a better Governments to Manage the Country. History Compared to the Conservatives proof this. You try and continue to muddy the waters About Welsh labour. if Labour are unable to run Wales better that the Tories run England why would Labour be an improvement in England? you keep running away from this simple question.. Because. 1. Wales is not England. 2. England did very well under New Labour until the international financial meltdown. 3. Because of the lying and insinuated lies largely by the Conservative propaganda merchants, the UK has been denied the direction New Labour were taking the country in. i.e. By using the existing system for the "benefit of the many, not the few".
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 14, 2024 11:16:09 GMT
if Labour are unable to run Wales better that the Tories run England why would Labour be an improvement in England? you keep running away from this simple question.. Because. 1. Wales is not England. 2. England did very well under New Labour until the international financial meltdown. 3. Because of the lying and insinuated lies largely by the Conservative propaganda merchants, the UK has been denied the direction New Labour were taking the country in. i.e. By using the existing system for the "benefit of the many, not the few". Wales is the blueprint for a Labour government, and the Welsh have never been as disgruntled.
20 mph zones popping up everywhere.
Building on greenbelt land, trying to turn Wales in to a concrete jungle.
Closing tourist hotels to house illegal migrants.
Mark Drakeford is resigning because the people of Wales are sick to death of Labour and their policies.
A taste of things to come for England.
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Post by thomas on Jan 14, 2024 11:32:34 GMT
and as I have said - rewriting of history is pointless. So lets keep to the here and now - why is Labour not running Wales better than the Tories run England today? Why are Labour doing so bad today? I'm not rewriting history look it up for yourself and disprove what I Written. You can use Google search engine can't you you are re writing history , and talking nonsense into the bargain. The last time labour were in power , you opened the floodgates to mass uncontrolled immigration from around 2004 , crashed the economy , bankrupted councils like my home city of Glasgow , indebted Scotland alone with £80 billion worth of PFI debt for projects that should only have cost a fifth of that figure , built less houses than Margaret thatcher did , had the cost of living through the roof for the ordinary working man , and left office with unemployment higher than what you found it when you took power in 1997. That's off the top of my head , and you seriously want people to trust these labour clowns ?
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Post by thomas on Jan 14, 2024 11:37:43 GMT
you are not British John. You aspire to be English , but the sassunachs don't want you. one of my friends is from Caernarfon. He doesn't speak his native language , so the locals call him a cofi sais. I guess you are what they would call a Casnewydd sais . (fucking Monmouth is English......get fucking out of here John. ) I beg to differ. My first passport called me a BRITISH subject and every one since has called me a BRITISH citizen. I have no desire to be associated with cottage burning scum I don’t ‘aspire’ to be ‘English’ either. My mother’s GP was trying to get me and my mother the best available medical facility to treat what was looking ever more like toxaemia of pregnancy. There were mire eminent medical personnel in Gloucester and Bristol. The welsh ambulance service such as it was in 1957 failed us both. your passport is nothing more than a travel document. The vast majority of people around the world don't have a passport , but they still have a nationality , because nationality is a mindset , a product of the stories we tell each other . I have three bits of paper , travel document , birth certificate and marriage certificate , and two of the three tell me im Scottish. You do aspire to be English. That's what British nationalists in the Celtic countries essentially are , Englishmen in denial. If your passport gives you your nationality in your mind , then don't worry. Keir starmer will soon sort that out when he takes you back into the EU and gives you back your European citizen passport. I will be sure to remind you at every turn of your golden rule that bits of paper like a travel document gives you your European citizenship.
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Post by thomas on Jan 14, 2024 11:43:44 GMT
if Labour are unable to run Wales better that the Tories run England why would Labour be an improvement in England? you keep running away from this simple question.. Because. 1. Wales is not England. 2. England did very well under New Labour until the international financial meltdown. 3. Because of the lying and insinuated lies largely by the Conservative propaganda merchants, the UK has been denied the direction New Labour were taking the country in. i.e. By using the existing system for the "benefit of the many, not the few". eh? Everything done in Wales by the Labour Party is done at the strict orders of the party leader in London. We know this because it was the same in Scotland , every single branch manager in charge of Scottish labour , like Johann Lamont , kezia dugdale etc , moaned they were not free to take decisions without approval by London HQ. So what are you talking about when you say Wales is not England? If you can't be trusted to run a national devolved government , or a local council , why should anyone vote you in at Westminster?
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Post by thomas on Jan 14, 2024 11:49:47 GMT
well what a stupid fucking comment. prior to 1999 , there wasn't any devolution as you well know , so how the fuck can we compare devolved government in Wales when we have nothing to compare to? think it fair to say Wales has experienced massive economic and social decline . Wether this is as a result of devolution , or would have happened anyway under the old unitary centralised system is hard to say. what's clear to point out is that labour have certainly not managed devolution successfully. , when compared to Scotland under the snp. We had similar problems to what the welsh were experiencing prior to 2007 , when we booted the labour clowns out. What a stupid lack of insight, there would have been a record of medical results in Wales from way back. I would imagine that Wales would have suffered more than most with the closure of the coal mines, exacerbated by the switch from slated roofing to tiled roofing. The "clowns" did more for working people than any government since Clem Attlee's post war Socialist government. there you go again , waffling on incoherently and going off at a tangent. John of gwent , a welsh citizen on this forum , who knows more about Wales than you ever will , tells us that Wales is being badly run in terms of the economy , health service and much more compared to England. you reply with the banal idiotic comment that I picked you up on by asking is it better or worse than what went before. I retorted that its idiotic to compare devolved government , with its limited powers , to pre devolution under the old unitary state , but what we can do is compare labours devolved governance with the snp , and when comparing the two labour have a terrible record. If you want to compare Westminster governance under labour with westminster governance under the tories , while the tories have at times undoubtedly made a complete hash of things , its fair to say labour have a largely piss poor record , as judged by the amount of times the uk public reject them.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 14, 2024 11:49:53 GMT
if Labour are unable to run Wales better that the Tories run England why would Labour be an improvement in England? you keep running away from this simple question.. Because. 1. Wales is not England. Indeed - so why are Labour unable to run Wales competently?. What would Labour in England do different?
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Post by thomas on Jan 14, 2024 12:15:48 GMT
Because. 1. Wales is not England. Indeed - so why are Labour unable to run Wales competently?. What would Labour in England do different? They wouldn't run England differently , because the decisions by labour in Scotland and Wales are taken by the party hq in London. Former Scottish labour branch manager Johann lamont resigned in protest because she wasn't free to take decisions on her own , and that London hq were able to sack for example general secretaries like Ian price in Scotland , and replace him with their own man without even the courtesy of a phone call to the labour branch manager in Scotland. The pr damage was that bad that when Jim Murphy took control in his ill fated stint as leader of our Scottish branch , he spent a lot of time telling the press that he , and not ed milliband was in charge , but of course no one in Scotland took him seriously , and he went on to lose most of his mps. so see 2s pathetic drivel that Wales is somehow nothing to do with labour in England is fucking laughable. Labour in Wales , England and Scotland are one and the same party with all decisions taken by head office in London. so perhaps we will get an answer to your question , what would labour do different in Scotland and England that it isn't doing in Wales? I won't hold my breath.
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Post by thomas on Jan 14, 2024 12:18:58 GMT
Because. 1. Wales is not England. Indeed - so why are Labour unable to run Wales competently?. What would Labour in England do different? here's an old article on the very subject ... Johann Lamont resigns as leader of Scottish Labour party
Lamont’s decision comes as she accuses colleagues of trying to run Scotland ‘like a branch office of London’
Johann Lamont is to stand down as leader of the Scottish Labour party, after describing some of her Westminster colleagues as dinosaurs who do not understand the politics they are facing since the referendum.
At the end of a week in which two former Labour first ministers expressed grave concerns about the future of the party, Lamont accused colleagues of trying to run Scotland “like a branch office of London”.
It is understood that she was unhappy that the general secretary of Scottish Labour, Ian Price, was to be removed from office without her being consulted.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/24/johann-lamont-resigns-scottish-labour-party-leader
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 14, 2024 14:39:05 GMT
I'm not rewriting history look it up for yourself and disprove what I Written. You can use Google search engine can't you you are re writing history , and talking nonsense into the bargain. The last time labour were in power , you opened the floodgates to mass uncontrolled immigration from around 2004 , crashed the economy , bankrupted councils like my home city of Glasgow , indebted Scotland alone with £80 billion worth of PFI debt for projects that should only have cost a fifth of that figure , built less houses than Margaret thatcher did , had the cost of living through the roof for the ordinary working man , and left office with unemployment higher than what you found it when you took power in 1997. That's off the top of my head , and you seriously want people to trust these labour clowns ? And it's obvious that all what you Mentioned has got worse under the Conceritives and people will realise that and Vote Labour.
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Post by thomas on Jan 14, 2024 14:42:48 GMT
you are re writing history , and talking nonsense into the bargain. The last time labour were in power , you opened the floodgates to mass uncontrolled immigration from around 2004 , crashed the economy , bankrupted councils like my home city of Glasgow , indebted Scotland alone with £80 billion worth of PFI debt for projects that should only have cost a fifth of that figure , built less houses than Margaret thatcher did , had the cost of living through the roof for the ordinary working man , and left office with unemployment higher than what you found it when you took power in 1997. That's off the top of my head , and you seriously want people to trust these labour clowns ? And it's obvious that all what you Mentioned has got worse under the Conceritives and people will realise that and Vote Labour. do you not realise how silly your post sounds? You say everything has gotten worse under the tories , and yet in the last poll I saw , barely 22% of the electorate are saying they are certain to vote labour come the GE. Why aren't labour doing better in the polls , and why are 78% of the electorate not realising labour , according to you , are the answer to the worlds ills? could it be like me , the vast majority of the uk electorate have long memories of labours last disastrous stint in power?
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 14, 2024 16:34:12 GMT
And it's obvious that all what you Mentioned has got worse under the Conceritives and people will realise that and Vote Labour. do you not realise how silly your post sounds? You say everything has gotten worse under the tories , and yet in the last poll I saw , barely 22% of the electorate are saying they are certain to vote labour come the GE. Why aren't labour doing better in the polls , and why are 78% of the electorate not realising labour , according to you , are the answer to the worlds ills? could it be like me , the vast majority of the uk electorate have long memories of labours last disastrous stint in power? You posted that a few times where did you get it from According to the latest Surrey by YouGov.the latest intensiom on voting Was Double what your saying . January 12, 2024, 3:35 PM GMT+0 Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention figures The latest YouGov/Times voting intention poll shows the Conservatives on 22% of the vote (no change from our previous survey on 2-3 January) to Labour's 45% (-1).
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Post by thomas on Jan 14, 2024 17:50:32 GMT
do you not realise how silly your post sounds? You say everything has gotten worse under the tories , and yet in the last poll I saw , barely 22% of the electorate are saying they are certain to vote labour come the GE. Why aren't labour doing better in the polls , and why are 78% of the electorate not realising labour , according to you , are the answer to the worlds ills? could it be like me , the vast majority of the uk electorate have long memories of labours last disastrous stint in power? You posted that a few times where did you get it from According to the latest Surrey by YouGov.the latest intensiom on voting Was Double what your saying . January 12, 2024, 3:35 PM GMT+0 Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention figures The latest YouGov/Times voting intention poll shows the Conservatives on 22% of the vote (no change from our previous survey on 2-3 January) to Labour's 45% (-1). do you not understand what I meant when I said 22% of the electorate?
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 14, 2024 18:02:24 GMT
You posted that a few times where did you get it from According to the latest Surrey by YouGov.the latest intensiom on voting Was Double what your saying . January 12, 2024, 3:35 PM GMT+0 Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention figures The latest YouGov/Times voting intention poll shows the Conservatives on 22% of the vote (no change from our previous survey on 2-3 January) to Labour's 45% (-1). do you not understand what I meant when I said 22% of the electorate? No not really.
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