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Post by Totheleft on Jan 13, 2024 22:52:40 GMT
OK I get your point but would you has a Welsh person explain why the Welsh people Continue to vote labour to lead the Welsh Nation if there so bad . Are the Welsh people so stupid or don't they believe that there a credible alternative? Well of course they DONāT ācontinue to vote labourā In common with almost two thirds of the country, less than forty per cent, often less than thirty per cent, of the voters ACTUALLY VOTE FOR the sitting candidate. The vagaries of the FPTP system guarantee that for the often sixty per cent of the voters who do not want that person elected, there is no point in voting as their vote won't do anything which is why so many donāt vote at all. Now, there are notable reasons why some places see fit to put their support in the left. Most usually because the right see fit to do fuck all about admitting they fucked some people over for the fun of it and danced the night away after. But by the same token large numbers of people in rather decent jobs, myself included by the way, see the left as doing nothing except shitting on us from a great height the way thatcher shat on the miners. Now, my hatred of the left doesnāt extend to voting for the woman who only got where she is because her dad demanded it as a bribe to stop being a cottage burner and become a tory, because i don't vote for corrupt scum or the beneficiaries of corrupt scum. But some peopleās hatred of the right means they will vote for the left. And iām not āwelshā I am british, of viking ancestry. Even my celtic matriarchal distaff line had a thing for tall blinde blue eyed norsemen, my mitochondrial DNA oroves it. My place of birth was a combination of a need for radar, missile and other systems to be developed beyond the range of Hitlerās bombers and a failure of an ambulance driver to reach my mother in time to get her to decent health care in England. Yes, even under Supermac and the era of never having it so good, wales had a third rate ambulance serviceā¦.. Talking about Labour getting Less votes by the General voting public. Look at This In 1951 more people voted Labour than Conservative, yet the Conservatives formed the government Voters in 1945, Holborn Photograph: . Imperial War Museum/IWM Non-Commercial licence The General Election on this day in 1951 couldnāt have been more decisive. Six years since Labourās victory in 1945, and one year after their victory in 1950, the public was still behind Clement Atlee reforming agenda. The chances looked good for Labour in 1951 and, as the results started coming in, the numbers looked good as well. They had won the most votes any political party in any election, a record not surpassed until the Conservative Partyās victory in 1992 ā when there were over seven million more people in the country. In fact, even with a smaller population, Labour won the most votes they have ever won to date. On top of their record-breaking haul of votes, Labour was well out in front, with almost a quarter of a million votes more than the Conservatives. A decisive victory for Labour then? Not quite. Clement Atlee had to resign as Prime Minister and an ageing Winston Churchill quickly moved back into Downing Street, while his Conservatives formed a government with a majority of 17. The 1951 General Election was certainly quick and decisive ā and one party with a majority was kicked out of office to be replaced by another. Itās just that the wrong party got kicked out. This wasnāt the last time a āwrong winnerā vote ā where a party gets more votes but fewer seats than its opponent ā would happen. In February 1974, Labour secured 301 seats to 297 for the Conservatives ā
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 13, 2024 22:58:34 GMT
Oh My I'm not running away from that Question . I've Answer it several times by Showing the Historical5 facts that labour are better at running the British government . and as I have said - rewriting of history is pointless. So lets keep to the here and now - why is Labour not running Wales better than the Tories run England today? Why are Labour doing so bad today? I'm not rewriting history look it up for yourself and disprove what I Written. You can use Google search engine can't you
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 13, 2024 23:03:06 GMT
Well of course they DONāT ācontinue to vote labourā In common with almost two thirds of the country, less than forty per cent, often less than thirty per cent, of the voters ACTUALLY VOTE FOR the sitting candidate. The vagaries of the FPTP system guarantee that for the often sixty per cent of the voters who do not want that person elected, there is no point in voting as their vote won't do anything which is why so many donāt vote at all. Now, there are notable reasons why some places see fit to put their support in the left. Most usually because the right see fit to do fuck all about admitting they fucked some people over for the fun of it and danced the night away after. But by the same token large numbers of people in rather decent jobs, myself included by the way, see the left as doing nothing except shitting on us from a great height the way thatcher shat on the miners. Now, my hatred of the left doesnāt extend to voting for the woman who only got where she is because her dad demanded it as a bribe to stop being a cottage burner and become a tory, because i don't vote for corrupt scum or the beneficiaries of corrupt scum. But some peopleās hatred of the right means they will vote for the left. And iām not āwelshā I am british, of viking ancestry. Even my celtic matriarchal distaff line had a thing for tall blinde blue eyed norsemen, my mitochondrial DNA oroves it. My place of birth was a combination of a need for radar, missile and other systems to be developed beyond the range of Hitlerās bombers and a failure of an ambulance driver to reach my mother in time to get her to decent health care in England. Yes, even under Supermac and the era of never having it so good, wales had a third rate ambulance serviceā¦.. you are not British John. You aspire to be English , but the sassunachs don't want you. one of my friends is from Caernarfon. He doesn't speak his native language , so the locals call him a cofi sais. I guess you are what they would call aĀ Casnewydd sais .Ā (fucking Monmouth is English......get fucking out of here John. ) I beg to differ. My first passport called me a BRITISH subject and every one since has called me a BRITISH citizen. I have no desire to be associated with cottage burning scum I donāt āaspireā to be āEnglishā either. My motherās GP was trying to get me and my mother the best available medical facility to treat what was looking ever more like toxaemia of pregnancy. There were mire eminent medical personnel in Gloucester and Bristol. The welsh ambulance service such as it was in 1957 failed us both.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 14, 2024 7:48:57 GMT
and as I have said - rewriting of history is pointless. So lets keep to the here and now - why is Labour not running Wales better than the Tories run England today? Why are Labour doing so bad today? I'm not rewriting history look it up for yourself and disprove what I Written. You can use Google search engine can't you LOL - why are you unwilling to discuss what is happening today?. Why is Labour run Wales doing worse than Tory run England? Stop with the pointless diversions into history and discuss the here and now.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 14, 2024 9:02:20 GMT
I'm not rewriting history look it up for yourself and disprove what I Written. You can use Google search engine can't you LOL - why are you unwilling to discuss what is happening today?. Why is Labour run Wales doing worse than Tory run England?Ā Stop with the pointless diversions into history and discuss the here and now. I've already told
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 14, 2024 9:11:56 GMT
LOL - why are you unwilling to discuss what is happening today?. Why is Labour run Wales doing worse than Tory run England?Ā Stop with the pointless diversions into history and discuss the here and now. I've already told you a number of times you can't compare the Welsh labour to the labour party ability to run the UK. It's Nonesence And the General voting public in UK Now that and prepared to vote a labour Government over the Conservatives come the Next GE.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 14, 2024 9:41:58 GMT
you a number of times you can't compare the Welsh labour to the labour party ability to run the UK. It's Nonesence And the General voting public in UK Now that and prepared to vote a labour Government over the Conservatives come the Next GE. Violent crime on London's tube network rises by staggering 75% in two years under Khunt's stewardship Lib Dem MP attributed rise to 'falling numbers of police officers on the streets'
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 14, 2024 9:57:48 GMT
This is Labour, this is what you will get, if they are doing this now forbid what they will do when they are in power .. Labour run Brighton.
Why are councils punishing hardworking Brits? Woman is fined Ā£400 for putting CARDBOARD in a bin in Brighton while a man gets Ā£1k penalty for using the wrong rubbish bags in Essex... and homeowners in Bristol have 13 bins to fill
Woman is fined Ā£400 for putting CARDBOARD in a bin in Brighton while a man gets Ā£1k penalty for using the wrong rubbish bags in Essex... and homeowners in Bristol have 13 bins to fill
Officials are accused of being 'heavy-handed' to home and business owners (Labour the party for the people) hahahahahah
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 14, 2024 10:10:24 GMT
you a number of times you can't compare the Welsh labour to the labour party ability to run the UK. It's Nonesence And the General voting public in UK Now that and prepared to vote a labour Government over the Conservatives come the Next GE. Violent crime on London's tube network rises by staggering 75% in two years under Khunt's stewardship Lib Dem MP attributed rise to 'falling numbers of police officers on the streets'
Oh my using that unsubstantiated post by the Daily Mirror again lol
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 14, 2024 10:48:26 GMT
This is Labour, this is what you will get, if they are doing this now forbid what they will do when they are in power .. Labour run Brighton. Why are councils punishing hardworking Brits? Woman is fined Ā£400 for putting CARDBOARD in a bin in Brighton while a man gets Ā£1k penalty for using the wrong rubbish bags in Essex... and homeowners in Bristol have 13 bins to fill Woman is fined Ā£400 for putting CARDBOARD in a bin in Brighton while a man gets Ā£1k penalty for using the wrong rubbish bags in Essex... and homeowners in Bristol have 13 bins to fill Officials are accused of being 'heavy-handed' to home and business owners (Labour the party for the people) hahahahahah
Ha ha you think that proves Labour isn't the party for Everyone .ā Increased use of food banks by middle-income families in UK as food poverty surges Dennis Moore 20 November 2020 Charities have identified an increase in the number of middle-income families being forced to use food banks. These families are defined as the ānew hungryā and constitute a growing layer of those who had previously had decent incomes and led a comfortable lifestyle. Now they are increasingly having to claim welfare benefits and use food banks to be able to feed themselves and their families. The Feeding Britain network, a charity working with food banks, reports that its members have started providing food to middle-income families, often with mortgages and cars. They were typically business owners and the self-employed, thrown into financial crisis This Government Policy effects Everyone except the Millionaires. Resolution Foundation, pointed out on Wednesday that despite the 2p cut to NI, the vast majority of the country will be worse off, with only those earning around Ā£11,000 to Ā£13,000 year and around Ā£42,000 to Ā£52,000 a year benefiting.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 14, 2024 10:52:35 GMT
Violent crime on London's tube network rises by staggering 75% in two years under Khunt's stewardship Lib Dem MP attributed rise to 'falling numbers of police officers on the streets'
Oh my using that unsubstantiated post by the Daily Mirror again lol So you will be able disbute the figures then lefty old bean. You can't even get the source correct.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 14, 2024 10:53:52 GMT
This is Labour, this is what you will get, if they are doing this now forbid what they will do when they are in power .. Labour run Brighton. Why are councils punishing hardworking Brits? Woman is fined Ā£400 for putting CARDBOARD in a bin in Brighton while a man gets Ā£1k penalty for using the wrong rubbish bags in Essex... and homeowners in Bristol have 13 bins to fill Woman is fined Ā£400 for putting CARDBOARD in a bin in Brighton while a man gets Ā£1k penalty for using the wrong rubbish bags in Essex... and homeowners in Bristol have 13 bins to fill Officials are accused of being 'heavy-handed' to home and business owners (Labour the party for the people) hahahahahah
Ha ha you think that proves Labour isn't the party for Everyone .ā Increased use of food banks by middle-income families in UK as food poverty surges Dennis Moore 20 November 2020 Charities have identified an increase in the number of middle-income families being forced to use food banks. These families are defined as the ānew hungryā and constitute a growing layer of those who had previously had decent incomes and led a comfortable lifestyle. Now they are increasingly having to claim welfare benefits and use food banks to be able to feed themselves and their families. The Feeding Britain network, a charity working with food banks, reports that its members have started providing food to middle-income families, often with mortgages and cars. They were typically business owners and the self-employed, thrown into financial crisis This Government Policy effects Everyone except the Millionaires. Resolution Foundation, pointed out on Wednesday that despite the 2p cut to NI, the vast majority of the country will be worse off, with only those earning around Ā£11,000 to Ā£13,000 year and around Ā£42,000 to Ā£52,000 a year benefiting. Your envy is showing lefty old bean.
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Post by see2 on Jan 14, 2024 10:55:45 GMT
But is it any better or worse than what went before it in Wales? well what a stupid fucking comment. prior to 1999 , there wasn't any devolution as you well know , so how the fuck can we compare devolved government in Wales when we have nothing to compare to? think it fair to say Wales has experienced massive economic and social decline . Wether this is as a result of devolution , or would have happened anyway under the old unitary centralised system is hard to say. what's clear to point out is that labour have certainly not managed devolution successfully. , when compared to Scotland under the snp. We had similar problems to what the welsh were experiencing prior to 2007 , when we booted the labour clowns out. What a stupid lack of insight, there would have been a record of medical results in Wales from way back. I would imagine that Wales would have suffered more than most with the closure of the coal mines, exacerbated by the switch from slated roofing to tiled roofing. The "clowns" did more for working people than any government since Clem Attlee's post war Socialist government.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 14, 2024 10:56:50 GMT
This is Labour, this is what you will get, if they are doing this now forbid what they will do when they are in power .. Labour run Brighton. Why are councils punishing hardworking Brits? Woman is fined Ā£400 for putting CARDBOARD in a bin in Brighton while a man gets Ā£1k penalty for using the wrong rubbish bags in Essex... and homeowners in Bristol have 13 bins to fill Woman is fined Ā£400 for putting CARDBOARD in a bin in Brighton while a man gets Ā£1k penalty for using the wrong rubbish bags in Essex... and homeowners in Bristol have 13 bins to fill Officials are accused of being 'heavy-handed' to home and business owners (Labour the party for the people) hahahahahah
Ha ha you think that proves Labour isn't the party for Everyone .ā Increased use of food banks by middle-income families in UK as food poverty surges Dennis Moore 20 November 2020 Charities have identified an increase in the number of middle-income families being forced to use food banks. These families are defined as the ānew hungryā and constitute a growing layer of those who had previously had decent incomes and led a comfortable lifestyle. Now they are increasingly having to claim welfare benefits and use food banks to be able to feed themselves and their families. The Feeding Britain network, a charity working with food banks, reports that its members have started providing food to middle-income families, often with mortgages and cars. They were typically business owners and the self-employed, thrown into financial crisis This Government Policy effects Everyone except the Millionaires. Resolution Foundation, pointed out on Wednesday that despite the 2p cut to NI, the vast majority of the country will be worse off, with only those earning around Ā£11,000 to Ā£13,000 year and around Ā£42,000 to Ā£52,000 a year benefiting. Pack it in with your copy and pasting, the fact you can't come up with any of 'your own' examples is a testimony to how little you actually know about Starmer/Labour, I am not responding to any more of your posts that are 'copy and paste', you have no substance of your own.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 14, 2024 11:04:11 GMT
Ha ha you think that proves Labour isn't the party for Everyone .ā Increased use of food banks by middle-income families in UK as food poverty surges Dennis Moore 20 November 2020 Charities have identified an increase in the number of middle-income families being forced to use food banks. These families are defined as the ānew hungryā and constitute a growing layer of those who had previously had decent incomes and led a comfortable lifestyle. Now they are increasingly having to claim welfare benefits and use food banks to be able to feed themselves and their families. The Feeding Britain network, a charity working with food banks, reports that its members have started providing food to middle-income families, often with mortgages and cars. They were typically business owners and the self-employed, thrown into financial crisis This Government Policy effects Everyone except the Millionaires. Resolution Foundation, pointed out on Wednesday that despite the 2p cut to NI, the vast majority of the country will be worse off, with only those earning around Ā£11,000 to Ā£13,000 year and around Ā£42,000 to Ā£52,000 a year benefiting. Pack it in with your copy and pasting, the fact you can't come up with any of 'your own' examples is a testimony to how little you actually know about Starmer/Labour, I am not responding to any more of your posts that are 'copy and paste', you have no substance of your own. Urm wasn't it you who copied and pasted the post above mine Yes it was. You obviously don't like I have the Ability to prove you Wrong . Once again
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