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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2024 16:11:22 GMT
There could be a few more bandwagons he can jump on before he pledges to a manifesto, do we really want a leader who has no clear direction, who is just following the populist vote, so he can be all things to all people just to grab their votes, sorry but he's not leader material, he clearly has no direction or policies if he just sitting on the sidelines before he commits. You could be referring to Sunak or Starmer here. To be fair in a recent post you even claimed that Sunak was more left wing than Labour, which makes me wonder who you are actually going to vote for on the big day. I will be voting for whomever is the most progressive, non-establishmentarian, candidate in my constituency. It will not be Labour or Tory |
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Post by om15 on Jan 11, 2024 16:17:07 GMT
That is the chap who told us that Corbyn would be a good Prime Minister. Starmer is hard left, don't be fooled by the fact he pretends he isn't.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 13, 2024 1:02:33 GMT
I was thinking how quick the wheels of Westminster can turn when it has to. Virtually overnight Sunak has implemented 'new laws' to overturn the convictions of the Post Office victims. No going through parliament, No vote on it, No going through the House of Lord, NO going through the Supreme Courts, Sunak has done it overnight, unlike when we have to deal with the illegal migrant crisis, that has to go through all of this ^^ and then some. Wrong on four counts. The legislation will go through parliament. There will be a vote on it. It will go through the House of Lords It will be subject to judicial review. There wrong on all accounts nothing new there then . And he still pushing his point of view even though he been told he wrong by Several people there wrong. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 13, 2024 1:12:40 GMT
You can't stop pushing your hatred for Starmer and the labour party can you.
I would call you a vile rude name .
But the rules of this forum stop me from doing so.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 13, 2024 23:55:27 GMT
I think you rather answer your own question there. No-one will oppose the Post Office Bill. Everyone, including both wings of his party opposing his Rwanda Bill. That's why it will take time. Indeed, they represent one extreme of non-conformant and non-alignment. The other end of the extreme was when President Xi got re-elected at some 2700 votes to zero in favour. The Chinese accuse us of extreme individualism. Each MP wants something different. Nothing gets done. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 17, 2024 2:22:30 GMT
Where are they going to find another Boris to rescue them? The conservative traitors treated Boris appallingly even though he won in a landslide. Too bad for the country, but these traitors deserve whats coming to them - most would be better suited in the Labour party. Will 60 Tory rebels sink Rishi Sunak's Rwanda bill? PM battles to save his premiership after party deputy chairmen and ministerial aide resign to join revolt Lee Anderson, Brendan Clarke-Smith and Jane Stevenson resigned to join revolt www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12971273/Will-Tory-rebels-sink-Rishi-Sunaks-Rwanda-bill.html |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 17, 2024 8:31:23 GMT
They have a choice. Compromise to get something through HoC, or throw your toys out of the pram and end up with nothing other than the fall of your government.
Given that many will lose their seats in the GE, most, if not all, will back down and either abstain or vote for.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 17, 2024 9:52:47 GMT
They have a choice. Compromise to get something through HoC, or throw your toys out of the pram and end up with nothing other than the fall of your government. Given that many will lose their seats in the GE, most, if not all, will back down and either abstain or vote for. We will see Andy. This seems to be the biggest threat so far for sunak. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 17, 2024 16:02:24 GMT
Agreed, it certainly is. Depends on how long they want to hold on. You may have seen the last few months many getting other jobs.
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Post by thomas on Jan 17, 2024 16:28:03 GMT
That is the chap who told us that Corbyn would be a good Prime Minister. Starmer is hard left, don't be fooled by the fact he pretends he isn't. I would disagree ommy .Starmer did indeed endorse Corbyn , but im not sure anyone who understands politics would argue in any way shape or form starmer is hard left. Its interesting though that its being reported that once again starmer is doing a u turn on his parties support for a Palestinian state. Wonder how many lefties these sort of u turns starmer is doing on a daily basis is going to upset what left wing element is left in his support? Remember , blairism worked by holding the left wing , and then trying to appeal to the small c voters in tory marginals. If he completely loses the left , it doesn't work. The latest polling shows this is inaction where starmer is relying on a small percentage of the uk electorate to put him in power while four fifths remain apathetic. If he pisses off enough apathetic voters , they might just turn out and scupper his plans big time.. archive.is/OpgVK#selection-1669.3-1697.184 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2024 17:28:49 GMT
That is the chap who told us that Corbyn would be a good Prime Minister. Starmer is hard left, don't be fooled by the fact he pretends he isn't. I would disagree ommy .Starmer did indeed endorse Corbyn , but im not sure anyone who understands politics would argue in any way shape or form starmer is hard left.
Its interesting though that its being reported that once again starmer is doing a u turn on his parties support for a Palestinian state. Wonder how many lefties these sort of u turns starmer is doing on a daily basis is going to upset what left wing element is left in his support? Remember , blairism worked by holding the left wing , and then trying to appeal to the small c voters in tory marginals. If he completely loses the left , it doesn't work. The latest polling shows this is inaction where starmer is relying on a small percentage of the uk electorate to put him in power while four fifths remain apathetic. If he pisses off enough apathetic voters , they might just turn out and scupper his plans big time.. archive.is/OpgVK#selection-1669.3-1697.184Starmer is many things but the idea that he is somehow hard left is frankly laughable. Even I am not hard left, in spite of the constant efforts of Blairites and centrists to put me in that box. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 17, 2024 18:21:25 GMT
I wouldn't call Strarmer hard left - or even a moderate centre-left. He is just a guy who will say and do anything to get elected..
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Post by thomas on Jan 17, 2024 19:00:12 GMT
I wouldn't call Strarmer hard left - or even a moderate centre-left. He is just a guy who will say and do anything to get elected.. exactly a political weather vane who will say and do anything to get elected. Clearly polls are showing four fifths of the uk electorate don't trust him or his party. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2024 19:11:19 GMT
I wouldn't call Strarmer hard left - or even a moderate centre-left. He is just a guy who will say and do anything to get elected.. Anything but upset the establishmentarian elites that is. He is relying on their backing. But yes other than that he will say anything to get elected. Those of us actually in the party at the time were lied to for a start. Many of us knew that. But we were outvoted by gullible fools who believed in his ten pledges, and who believed in his mantra of socialism under a more competent and electable leader. We knew the socialism bit was bollocks. Starmer has always been the establishments man. Most like him refused to work under Corbyn out of principle. He did, pretending to be onside in order to make a challenge when the time was right. His dishonesty on that score is obvious now to any open-minded person looking back. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 17, 2024 20:04:41 GMT
Word is that the Tory rebels are generally backing down, bar 1 or 2, and the bill is expected to pass comfortably.
Quelle surprise. 🙃
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