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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 11, 2024 13:00:05 GMT
He's personally intervening which amounts to the same thing. In that case would you also condemn James Arbuthnot, the MP who Alan Bates approached who got the ball rolling by ''asking around the House'' of personally intervening? I wouldn't Maybe you'd state that any member of government who announced intention to introduce legislation was ''personally intervening''? News today say that Sir Kneeler has announced plans (if elected) to bring in supervised tooth brushing in primary schools at breakfast club time . All funded by charging VAT on private school fees according to the announcement. Surely that is ''personally intervening'' in the job of parents and nothing to do with politicians? A Prime Ministers role is not to intervene in any criminal case, we've had many miscarriages of justice, like "The Birmingham Six remains one of the most notorious miscarriages of justice in the British justice system. In 1975, six men were convicted of bombing two pubs in Birmingham, which resulted in the deaths of 21 people".
This one (Post Office) requires a 'Independent Inquiry' of the highest order, and it requires the CPS the DPP and every aspect that lead to this Post Office scandal to be answerable in this Inquiry.
It is NOT for the Prime Minister with his knee jerk reaction to interfere with the correct and proper Investigations in to this scandal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2024 13:06:36 GMT
Why would they have a manifesto when there's no election? None of the parties has written their manifestos yet. And before they write the manifesto they need access to the books, Labour has asked, but Rishi Sunak is prevaricating... No election, Starmer thought it was May ...'bring it on'.
Are you honestly saying to this forum Starmer was geared up for a May election and has no manifesto?
So in other words you are basically saying Starmer was going to throw together a manifesto in less than 5 months? ....... LOL
They have most probably thought about what they are going to put in any manifesto already and have the contents under wraps and ready to go, but in the meantime probably changing or revising their plans in smaller ways in response to events. They are unlikely not to have the contents of any manifesto largely ready to go but instead are most likely to be keeping it under wraps. They would not want the Tories potentially stealing their most popular ideas, especially since they are likely to be ones designed to appeal to Tory voters. These plans will also include in all probability a few nods in the direction of left leaning supporters to try and protect their other flank, of which abolishing charitable status for fee paying schools and abolishing non dom status are two likely examples. I do not expect a highly detailed manifesto but one full of platitudes and aims few could disagree with but not a huge amount of detail on policy. In this sense it will be very New Labour, harking back to 1997. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 11, 2024 13:13:21 GMT
No election, Starmer thought it was May ...'bring it on'.
Are you honestly saying to this forum Starmer was geared up for a May election and has no manifesto?
So in other words you are basically saying Starmer was going to throw together a manifesto in less than 5 months? ....... LOL
They have most probably thought about what they are going to put in any manifesto already and have the contents under wraps and ready to go, but in the meantime probably changing or revising their plans in smaller ways in response to events. They are unlikely not to have the contents of any manifesto largely ready to go but instead are most likely to be keeping it under wraps. They would not want the Tories potentially stealing their most popular ideas, especially since they are likely to be ones designed to appeal to Tory voters. These plans will also include in all probability a few nods in the direction of left leaning supporters to try and protect their other flank, of which abolishing charitable status for fee paying schools and abolishing non dom status are two likely examples. I do not expect a highly detailed manifesto but one full of platitudes and aims few could disagree with but not a huge amount of detail on policy. In this sense it will be very New Labour, harking back to 1997. The truth of the matter, flip flop can't put anything on paper because he always needs to know what way the winds blowing.
There could be a few more bandwagons he can jump on before he pledges to a manifesto, do we really want a leader who has no clear direction, who is just following the populist vote, so he can be all things to all people just to grab their votes, sorry but he's not leader material, he clearly has no direction or policies if he just sitting on the sidelines before he commits.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 11, 2024 13:30:15 GMT
There could be a few more bandwagons he can jump on before he pledges to a manifesto, do we really want a leader who has no clear direction, who is just following the populist vote, so he can be all things to all people just to grab their votes, sorry but he's not leader material, he clearly has no direction or policies if he just sitting on the sidelines before he commits. You could be referring to Sunak or Starmer here. To be fair in a recent post you even claimed that Sunak was more left wing than Labour, which makes me wonder who you are actually going to vote for on the big day. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 11, 2024 13:38:12 GMT
There could be a few more bandwagons he can jump on before he pledges to a manifesto, do we really want a leader who has no clear direction, who is just following the populist vote, so he can be all things to all people just to grab their votes, sorry but he's not leader material, he clearly has no direction or policies if he just sitting on the sidelines before he commits. You could be referring to Sunak or Starmer here. To be fair in a recent post you even claimed that Sunak was more left wing than Labour, which makes me wonder who you are actually going to vote for on the big day. And I still do.
Sunak has no backbone, he's frightened of his own shadow, the Tory elite have put him in as their puppet, he's just a glorified nodding dog, and to answer your question as it stands I am voting for NONE THEM.
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Post by ratcliff on Jan 11, 2024 13:38:23 GMT
In that case would you also condemn James Arbuthnot, the MP who Alan Bates approached who got the ball rolling by ''asking around the House'' of personally intervening? I wouldn't Maybe you'd state that any member of government who announced intention to introduce legislation was ''personally intervening''? News today say that Sir Kneeler has announced plans (if elected) to bring in supervised tooth brushing in primary schools at breakfast club time . All funded by charging VAT on private school fees according to the announcement. Surely that is ''personally intervening'' in the job of parents and nothing to do with politicians? A Prime Ministers role is not to intervene in any criminal case, we've had many miscarriages of justice, like "The Birmingham Six remains one of the most notorious miscarriages of justice in the British justice system. In 1975, six men were convicted of bombing two pubs in Birmingham, which resulted in the deaths of 21 people".
This one (Post Office) requires a 'Independent Inquiry' of the highest order, and it requires the CPS the DPP and every aspect that lead to this Post Office scandal to be answerable in this Inquiry.
It is NOT for the Prime Minister with his knee jerk reaction to interfere with the correct and proper Investigations in to this scandal.
Sunak is not interfering A Post Office inquiry has been in progress for a couple of years now (and not expected to end until 2025) - it resumed today and one of the many revelations from this morning is that Post Office Investigators received ''performance'' bonuses bases on convictions and money ''recovered'' |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 11, 2024 13:44:49 GMT
A Prime Ministers role is not to intervene in any criminal case, we've had many miscarriages of justice, like "The Birmingham Six remains one of the most notorious miscarriages of justice in the British justice system. In 1975, six men were convicted of bombing two pubs in Birmingham, which resulted in the deaths of 21 people".
This one (Post Office) requires a 'Independent Inquiry' of the highest order, and it requires the CPS the DPP and every aspect that lead to this Post Office scandal to be answerable in this Inquiry.
It is NOT for the Prime Minister with his knee jerk reaction to interfere with the correct and proper Investigations in to this scandal.
Sunak is not interfering A Post Office inquiry has been in progress for a couple of years now (and not expected to end until 2025) - it resumed today and one of the many revelations from this morning is that Post Office Investigators received ''performance'' bonuses bases on convictions and money ''recovered'' It's not wise then for a Prime Minister to spearhead overturning convictions until the findings are released of this inquiry, he could be undermining the inquiry process.
Recommendations are made 'after' inquiries release their findings, Sunak is jumping the gun.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 11, 2024 13:46:55 GMT
Sunak is not interfering A Post Office inquiry has been in progress for a couple of years now (and not expected to end until 2025) - it resumed today and one of the many revelations from this morning is that Post Office Investigators received ''performance'' bonuses bases on convictions and money ''recovered'' It's not wise then for a Prime Minister to spearhead overturning convictions until the findings are released of this inquiry, he could be undermining the inquiry process.
Recommendations are made 'after' inquiries release their findings, Sunak is jumping the gun.
You think they should stay convicted for another couple of years? 😳 |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 11, 2024 13:55:14 GMT
It's not wise then for a Prime Minister to spearhead overturning convictions until the findings are released of this inquiry, he could be undermining the inquiry process.
Recommendations are made 'after' inquiries release their findings, Sunak is jumping the gun.
You think they should stay convicted for another couple of years? 😳 Miscarriages of justice are not new, this is the first case I have ever come across in such vast numbers, it is also the first case I have come across where a Prime Minister has ever tried to overturn convictions, I think he's in dangerous territory, not a road we should be going down, that is the job of the judicial service.
I think it strange that every time Sunak has tried to intervene with any legal process regarding illegal migrants he's been told to but-out and leave it to the legal system to process, I just understand why he can intervene in some legal process and not in others, don't you think that's strange?
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Post by jonksy on Jan 11, 2024 14:00:33 GMT
Its not just the Tories who are split down the middle. It would help if labour had a manifesto rather than just meaningless sound bites. Why would they have a manifesto when there's no election? None of the parties has written their manifestos yet. And before they write the manifesto they need access to the books, Labour has asked, but Rishi Sunak is prevaricating... Come November there will be a GE. Just a hint what labour have in mind wouldn't go amiss. All starmer ever utters turns to total bullshit in a week or less. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 11, 2024 14:04:47 GMT
Tory Rwanda rebel MPs grow to 40 as Sunak heads for Commons showdown.
The number of Tory MPs calling for Rishi Sunak to toughen up his bill to enable flights to Rwanda has grown to 40 but the Prime Minister has indicated he will not back down believing they will not vote against the legislation.
Ministers believe that Tory rebels are become less inclined to vote down the legislation if they do not get the hardline changes they want and could therefore attempt to pass it without offering significant concessions, although minor tweaks are still a possibility.
Personally I don't regard Tory MP's who want this Rwanda plan to be toughened up, as rebels. I see them as proper centre right Conservatives. It's the others the so called 'one nation' Tories who are the problem, like Sunak they're not proper Conservatives, they're 'new' conservatives, centrists. Exactly Red we havn't had a true Tory governmnet for years. Sunak should piss off and allow a proper Tory into NO 10. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 11, 2024 14:09:12 GMT
More lefty bollocks.....Here is one pro Brexiter who wouldn't piss on starmer or labour if they were on fire. Labour could win 100-seat majority, says former Blair adviser as Brexit voters turn to Starmer.
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Post by om15 on Jan 11, 2024 15:27:42 GMT
The state of the United Kingdom has sunk to third world levels under the Tories, education, health, growing civil service, politised police, shameless self serving politicians, corrupt judiciary, untrustworthy government officials, the country is in a mess.
We appear to believe that voting in a hard left marxist and his shrill supporters would not make this a hundred times worse, I see that the Scotch wish to put any parent that doesn't subscribe to their trans bollocks in prison for seven years and Starmer wants to introduce mandatory tooth brush training into infant schools.
Meanwhile Putin is gearing up for WWIII and will provoke a war with NATO within a year or so and the Iranians have captured a US oil tanker, it would be nice to think that we are in safe hands, but sadly that isn't the case, nor is it likely to improve.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2024 16:05:45 GMT
They have most probably thought about what they are going to put in any manifesto already and have the contents under wraps and ready to go, but in the meantime probably changing or revising their plans in smaller ways in response to events. They are unlikely not to have the contents of any manifesto largely ready to go but instead are most likely to be keeping it under wraps. They would not want the Tories potentially stealing their most popular ideas, especially since they are likely to be ones designed to appeal to Tory voters. These plans will also include in all probability a few nods in the direction of left leaning supporters to try and protect their other flank, of which abolishing charitable status for fee paying schools and abolishing non dom status are two likely examples. I do not expect a highly detailed manifesto but one full of platitudes and aims few could disagree with but not a huge amount of detail on policy. In this sense it will be very New Labour, harking back to 1997. The truth of the matter, flip flop can't put anything on paper because he always needs to know what way the winds blowing.
There could be a few more bandwagons he can jump on before he pledges to a manifesto, do we really want a leader who has no clear direction, who is just following the populist vote, so he can be all things to all people just to grab their votes, sorry but he's not leader material, he clearly has no direction or policies if he just sitting on the sidelines before he commits.
I dont really disagree with that. I am not a Starmer supporter and will not be voting for any party he leads. He is just another creature of the establishment, out to defend the status quo. The one thing he will not do in pursuit of power is adopt radical policies which the establishment dont like. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2024 16:08:07 GMT
The state of the United Kingdom has sunk to third world levels under the Tories, education, health, growing civil service, politised police, shameless self serving politicians, corrupt judiciary, untrustworthy government officials, the country is in a mess. We appear to believe that voting in a hard left marxist and his shrill supporters would not make this a hundred times worse, I see that the Scotch wish to put any parent that doesn't subscribe to their trans bollocks in prison for seven years and Starmer wants to introduce mandatory tooth brush training into infant schools. Meanwhile Putin is gearing up for WWIII and will provoke a war with NATO within a year or so and the Iranians have captured a US oil tanker, it would be nice to think that we are in safe hands, but sadly that isn't the case, nor is it likely to improve. You started off well, but appeared to reveal in mid flow that you think Starmer is a hard left Marxist. Starmer is many things. But he most certainly isnt that, lol |
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