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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 0:01:33 GMT
Kelvin Mackenzie speaking some sense.. Well it is a massive improvement on his former habit of lying about dead football fans. |
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Post by patman post on Jan 10, 2024 0:35:32 GMT
With all the anger being directed against organisations and individuals, I hope the primary effort is directed at somehow quickly recompensing the wrongly-accused and wrongly-punished. This whole saga has been going on for a quarter of a century with calls for help being inadequately dealt with, dismissed, or ignored. Victims have died, victims lives have been ruined and families and communities split. I can understand the government not wanting to interfere in court and judicial procedures but, just as Rishi Sunak got money to those unable to work during the pandemic, is there no way that substantial payments can be immediately made to victims and their surviving families with top-ups being paid as individual cases progress through the courts? Any criminal proceedings can progress at their normal speeds — and the judiciary should be aware of and counter delaying tactics — but criminal wrongdoing should be investigated and punished appropriately… Postmasters/mistresses wrongly prosecuted years ago need clearing immediately - not at ''normal speed'' - convictions reversed These convictions must be making their lives very difficult and complicated Apply for a job - conviction for money offences revealed , application rejected become a volunteer - need a DBS - offence surfaces - application rejected or tight restrictions applied Take out insurance - you have a conviction - insurance refused or very heavily loaded Want to visit New york/Disney - no on line ESTA - you'll need a visa after travelling to a personal interview at the Embassy etc etc etc Be careful what you wish for — the government interfering with the independence of the judiciary and overturning verdicts could set a dangerous precedent. Admittedly, difficulties for many victims of this affair are far from over, but substantial immediate payments could help while they wait to be acquitted by the courts with no stains on their characters… |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 10, 2024 6:40:55 GMT
A common labour problem...
New evidence has emerged undermining claims from one of Sir Keir Starmer's right-hand men in his shadow cabinet that the Post Office scandal wasn't raised with him while serving as a minister in Gordon Brown's Government. Pat McFadden, Labour's Shadow Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, told Times Radio last week that he did not remember the Post Office Horizon scandal being raised as an issue when he was Postal Affairs Minister from 2007-9.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 10, 2024 8:40:20 GMT
Should the Lib Dems get rid of Ed Davey as leader after Post Office scandal? 97% think so in this poll.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 10, 2024 10:22:10 GMT
Meanwhile, the marvellous British Bullshit Corporation are far more interested in playing tbe race card for seven whingeing ‘south asians’ www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67929650 |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 10, 2024 10:30:00 GMT
Should the Lib Dems get rid of Ed Davey as leader after Post Office scandal? 97% think so in this poll.
What pisses me right off, Starmer resided as head of the CPS during the Savile and Post Office scandal, yet no one is asking for his head to roll, why?
If it was Johnson or Sunak the lefties would be DEMANDING the police investigate them, and demand Sunak resigns as leader, yet there is hardly a mention that Starmer was at the helm when all this scandal happened, why do the media always protect the lefties?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 16:00:29 GMT
Should the Lib Dems get rid of Ed Davey as leader after Post Office scandal? 97% think so in this poll.
What pisses me right off, Starmer resided as head of the CPS during the Savile and Post Office scandal, yet no one is asking for his head to roll, why?
If it was Johnson or Sunak the lefties would be DEMANDING the police investigate them, and demand Sunak resigns as leader, yet there is hardly a mention that Starmer was at the helm when all this scandal happened, why do the media always protect the lefties?
Probably because Starmer was not directly involved in the Post Office decision making. The CPS would have needed self-motivation to flag that one and take action. Also, because his current role as Labour leader is not connected to either case in any way. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 10, 2024 16:07:16 GMT
What pisses me right off, Starmer resided as head of the CPS during the Savile and Post Office scandal, yet no one is asking for his head to roll, why?
If it was Johnson or Sunak the lefties would be DEMANDING the police investigate them, and demand Sunak resigns as leader, yet there is hardly a mention that Starmer was at the helm when all this scandal happened, why do the media always protect the lefties?
Probably because Starmer was not directly involved in the Post Office decision making. The CPS would have needed self-motivation to flag that one and take action. Also, because his current role as Labour leader is not connected to either case in any way. But Starmer was the boss, the top man the CEO or in this case the head of the CPS.
I am sure if you are anything like me when things go wrong you don't want to speak to the hand-rags, you want to talk to the organ grinder not the monkey.
You go straight to the top, the Fact Starmer was the TOP man then the onus lies with him, not the hand-rags or the monkey but .... HIM.
He has to be accountable NOW, and yes his role as leader of Labour is very much connected, because this CLEARLY incompetent IDIOT could soon be Prime Minister running our country with a disastrous track record like his.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 16:09:29 GMT
Probably because Starmer was not directly involved in the Post Office decision making. The CPS would have needed self-motivation to flag that one and take action. Also, because his current role as Labour leader is not connected to either case in any way. But Starmer was the boss, the top man the CEO or in this case the head of the CPS.
I am sure if you are anything like me when things go wrong you don't want to speak to the hand-rags, you want to talk to the organ grinder not the monkey.
You go straight to the top, the Fact Starmer was the TOP man then the onus lies with him, not the hand-rags or the monkey but .... HIM.
He has to be accountable NOW, and yes his role as leader of Labour is very much connected, because this CLEARLY incompetent IDIOT could soon be Prime Minister running our country with a disastrous track record like his.
Except that, for 300 years the Post Office have had autonomy in prosecutions. The CPS had no part in signing up files for process. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jan 10, 2024 16:14:24 GMT
Postmasters/mistresses wrongly prosecuted years ago need clearing immediately - not at ''normal speed'' - convictions reversed These convictions must be making their lives very difficult and complicated Apply for a job - conviction for money offences revealed , application rejected become a volunteer - need a DBS - offence surfaces - application rejected or tight restrictions applied Take out insurance - you have a conviction - insurance refused or very heavily loaded Want to visit New york/Disney - no on line ESTA - you'll need a visa after travelling to a personal interview at the Embassy etc etc etc Be careful what you wish for — the government interfering with the independence of the judiciary and overturning verdicts could set a dangerous precedent. Admittedly, difficulties for many victims of this affair are far from over, but substantial immediate payments could help while they wait to be acquitted by the courts with no stains on their characters… No stain on their characters? I highlighted just a few of their daily difficulties that willl never magically disappear while ''waiting''- the questions they can never say ''no'' to start ''Have you ever.......?'' |
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Post by ratcliff on Jan 10, 2024 16:21:39 GMT
What pisses me right off, Starmer resided as head of the CPS during the Savile and Post Office scandal, yet no one is asking for his head to roll, why?
If it was Johnson or Sunak the lefties would be DEMANDING the police investigate them, and demand Sunak resigns as leader, yet there is hardly a mention that Starmer was at the helm when all this scandal happened, why do the media always protect the lefties?
Probably because Starmer was not directly involved in the Post Office decision making. The CPS would have needed self-motivation to flag that one and take action. Also, because his current role as Labour leader is not connected to either case in any way. CPS agree that at least 27 prosecutions so far identified linked to Horizon were launched by them , they are expecting to find at least 50 CPS launched prosecutions over the period including throughout Starmer's whole reign as big boss of CPS but are so far refusing to apportion dates. He can't keep being allowed to avoid the buck stopping with him as CPS boss as has been happening so far and specifically with failing to prosecute jimmy Saville 700+ Post Office prosecutions must have raised some eyebrows in the CPS and CPS launching at least another 27/50 means that they must have been fully aware of the issues |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 16:23:41 GMT
Probably because Starmer was not directly involved in the Post Office decision making. The CPS would have needed self-motivation to flag that one and take action. Also, because his current role as Labour leader is not connected to either case in any way. CPS agree that at least 27 prosecutions so far identified linked to Horizon were launched by them , they are expecting to find at least 50 CPS launched prosecutions over the period including throughout Starmer's whole reign as big boss of CPS but are so far refusing to apportion dates. He can't keep being allowed to avoid the buck stopping with him as CPS boss as has been happening so far and specifically with failing to prosecute jimmy Saville 700+ Post Office prosecutions must have raised some eyebrows in the CPS and CPS launching at least another 27/50 means that they must have been fully aware of the issues That's news to me Ratcliff. Then he SHOULD resign as being incompetent. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 10, 2024 16:28:26 GMT
Probably because Starmer was not directly involved in the Post Office decision making. The CPS would have needed self-motivation to flag that one and take action. Also, because his current role as Labour leader is not connected to either case in any way. CPS agree that at least 27 prosecutions so far identified linked to Horizon were launched by them , they are expecting to find at least 50 CPS launched prosecutions over the period including throughout Starmer's whole reign as big boss of CPS but are so far refusing to apportion dates. He can't keep being allowed to avoid the buck stopping with him as CPS boss as has been happening so far and specifically with failing to prosecute jimmy Saville 700+ Post Office prosecutions must have raised some eyebrows in the CPS and CPS launching at least another 27/50 means that they must have been fully aware of the issues Exactly, even the dumbest of the dumbest ALARM BELLS would have gone off like Big Ben when over 700+post masters most with previous squeaky clean records were all off a sudden ALL accused of fraud .... FFS No one is going to believe for one single moment that Dumbo Starmer had no idea that 700+ convictions ALL accused of the same fraud ALL with the Post Office were ALL protesting their innocence and it was never brought to his attention or the CPS ......... NEVER in a million years. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jan 10, 2024 16:31:05 GMT
CPS agree that at least 27 prosecutions so far identified linked to Horizon were launched by them , they are expecting to find at least 50 CPS launched prosecutions over the period including throughout Starmer's whole reign as big boss of CPS but are so far refusing to apportion dates. He can't keep being allowed to avoid the buck stopping with him as CPS boss as has been happening so far and specifically with failing to prosecute jimmy Saville 700+ Post Office prosecutions must have raised some eyebrows in the CPS and CPS launching at least another 27/50 means that they must have been fully aware of the issues That's news to me Ratcliff. Then he SHOULD resign as being incompetent. Apparently the identified so far figure of CPS prosecutions involving Post office postmasters is at least 38 cases launched by the CPS |
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Post by ratcliff on Jan 10, 2024 18:21:35 GMT
That's news to me Ratcliff. Then he SHOULD resign as being incompetent. Apparently the identified so far figure of CPS prosecutions involving Post office postmasters is at least 38 cases launched by the CPS It's like pulling teeth... CPS admit so far to have found at least three convictions on prosecutions launched by the CPS whilst Sir Keir was big boss - one poor sod got nearly 2 years prison! Of those it had found so far, three resulted in convictions while Sir Keir, now the Labour leader, was director of public prosecutions.
In one case, in May 2009, a sub-postmaster – who has not been named – was sentenced to 21 months imprisonment for theft after pleading guilty.
In a second prosecution, also in May 2009, a sub-postmaster was given an eight-month suspended jail term and 180 hours of community service after pleading guilty to theft and fraud.
In the third case, the defendant was subjected to a curfew and ordered to do unpaid work in February 2012 for theft.
www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/01/10/sub-postmasters-taken-court-by-cps-keir-starmer/
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