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Post by jonksy on Dec 30, 2023 12:55:06 GMT
Until it happens and they have to dig even deeper into their empty pockes and wallets..
GB News poll has Labour heading for majority election victory.
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 30, 2023 13:06:34 GMT
I don't think there's anything new in that UKVI poll. They've been pretty steady for some months now.
What for me was interesting in the article was about the popularity of Tony Blair. I thought from reading this forum that he was universally detested. Seemingly I was wrong.
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Post by Vinny on Dec 30, 2023 13:08:35 GMT
Forget polls. Any result can be achieved by asking the right questions. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 30, 2023 13:11:10 GMT
I don't think there's anything new in that UKVI poll. They've been pretty steady for some months now. What for me was interesting in the article was about the popularity of Tony Blair. I thought from reading this forum that he was universally detested. Seemingly I was wrong. Because the young lefty woke snowflakes don't know his war track record, the potential young Labour voters probably weren't even born when he was PM.
If they did a documentary on him and his illegal war with Bush, I can guarantee you the young voters would disown him, the Tories need to jog the memories of those who don't know, or those who were around at the time of Blair/Bush illegal war in Iraq, and how many lives they cost. Labour are doing a fine job of trying to bury bad news.
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 30, 2023 13:20:02 GMT
I won't address the illegal war comment, as that's being debated on another thread, but my point was that he may be more popular than this forum would have us believe.
You may be correct about the younger generation, but of course the two more popular PMs mentioned are of course both dead.
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Post by see2 on Dec 30, 2023 14:01:06 GMT
I don't think there's anything new in that UKVI poll. They've been pretty steady for some months now. What for me was interesting in the article was about the popularity of Tony Blair. I thought from reading this forum that he was universally detested. Seemingly I was wrong. Because the young lefty woke snowflakes don't know his war track record, the potential young Labour voters probably weren't even born when he was PM.
If they did a documentary on him and his illegal war with Bush, I can guarantee you the young voters would disown him, the Tories need to jog the memories of those who don't know, or those who were around at the time of Blair/Bush illegal war in Iraq, and how many lives they cost. Labour are doing a fine job of trying to bury bad news. UN Res. 1483. 1483 22 May 2003 14-0-0 Recognized the US and the UK as occupying powers under international law, with legitimate authority in Iraq. Removed economic sanctions imposed during the Gulf War. Syria did not vote on the measure. That Resolution could not, would not, be passed if it was an Illegal War. It seems that plenty of false propaganda and misplaced opinion has allowed you to deceive yourself on the legality of that invasion. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 30, 2023 14:02:34 GMT
Forget polls. Any result can be achieved by asking the right questions. Do you actually know what a leading question is? It's a question that can only be answered with a yes/no answer. Wasn't that the form the Brexit referendum took? And yes, the result was 'any result', with all the different shades of leaving being excluded, with the Tories simply filling in the gaps with their own ideas rather than asking for clarification. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 30, 2023 14:03:56 GMT
Forget polls. Any result can be achieved by asking the right questions. Very slippery of you. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 30, 2023 14:07:43 GMT
Until it happens and they have to dig even deeper into their empty pockes and wallets..
GB News poll has Labour heading for majority election victory.
Not that it will make any difference: They're not going to do all the same things that the Tories aren't going to do either. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 30, 2023 14:15:56 GMT
Forget polls. Any result can be achieved by asking the right questions. Hmm. Wasn't the question "if there was a general election tomorrow, who would you vote for?" which isn't a leading question. Whilst there's always a margin of error with polls, they are the most accurate assessment that we can guess on public opinion. They have been pretty static for some months now, which gives additional support to the findings. Surely you are not saying that they are all out by factors? |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 30, 2023 14:27:03 GMT
There's still the issue of shy voters, there's the issue of a week is a long time in politics.
There's the issue that whilst Sunak is shit, Keir Starmer is also shit, and if Labour are even worse, then who knows?
Right now, what do Labour actually stand for?
What are their policies?
Starmer is a weather vane isn't he?
He's spun around in all directions since he got his break and became a frontbencher.
Can he be trusted? I don't think so.
If Labour want to govern, they need to reassure us all that they have policies, they'll stand for things and can be trusted.
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 30, 2023 14:28:58 GMT
Because the young lefty woke snowflakes don't know his war track record, the potential young Labour voters probably weren't even born when he was PM.
If they did a documentary on him and his illegal war with Bush, I can guarantee you the young voters would disown him, the Tories need to jog the memories of those who don't know, or those who were around at the time of Blair/Bush illegal war in Iraq, and how many lives they cost. Labour are doing a fine job of trying to bury bad news. UN Res. 1483. 1483 22 May 2003 14-0-0 Recognized the US and the UK as occupying powers under international law, with legitimate authority in Iraq. Removed economic sanctions imposed during the Gulf War. Syria did not vote on the measure. That Resolution could not, would not, be passed if it was an Illegal War. It seems that plenty of false propaganda and misplaced opinion has allowed you to deceive yourself on the legality of that invasion. I don't care what the bent UN says, Bush/Blair lied to them in order to start a illegal war, that fact the basis of their invasion was to find and recover WMD, to this very day no such weapons were ever recovered.
So you can only draw one conclusion they LIED, and the fact the UN or the GC decided not to pursue Bush/Blair for war crimes is another big cover up.
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Post by patman post on Dec 30, 2023 14:33:59 GMT
There's still the issue of shy voters, there's the issue of a week is a long time in politics. There's the issue that whilst Sunak is shit, Keir Starmer is also shit, and if Labour are even worse, then who knows? Right now, what do Labour actually stand for? What are their policies? Starmer is a weather vane isn't he? He's spun around in all directions since he got his break and became a frontbencher. Can he be trusted? I don't think so. If Labour want to govern, they need to reassure us all that they have policies, they'll stand for things and can be trusted. Indicated policies I've seen suggested so far are the abolition of inheritance tax (Tory), and an increased availability of nursery places (Labour). Will these gather support or push support away...? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 30, 2023 14:41:19 GMT
There's still the issue of shy voters, there's the issue of a week is a long time in politics. There's the issue that whilst Sunak is shit, Keir Starmer is also shit, and if Labour are even worse, then who knows? Right now, what do Labour actually stand for? What are their policies? Starmer is a weather vane isn't he? He's spun around in all directions since he got his break and became a frontbencher. Can he be trusted? I don't think so. If Labour want to govern, they need to reassure us all that they have policies, they'll stand for things and can be trusted. I don’t disagree with your assessment of Labour, and this year they will have to put their manifesto together. Be interesting to see how much this changes things. At the moment Labour are way in front, mostly by being not Tory, remains to be seen how much Reform can pick off on the right too. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 30, 2023 14:42:41 GMT
I don't think there's anything new in that UKVI poll. They've been pretty steady for some months now. What for me was interesting in the article was about the popularity of Tony Blair. I thought from reading this forum that he was universally detested. Seemingly I was wrong. There is only one poll that counts Andy. |
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