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Post by sword on Nov 9, 2022 20:16:41 GMT
No it wasn't,it was rightwing lunatics,what far left antisemitic attitude ?you havesuppose bought into the smear narrative promoted by the scum in the media and the rightwing labour friends of Israel. Ha ha right wing labour friends of Isreal did you watch the video what victormeldrew posted about gerored kauffan a jew in the labour party addresing HOC he even compaired the isreal state to Nazis because of the killing of inocent palistine citizens. And he was a friend of Arafat.suppose he was one of them rightwing labour friends of isreal Kaufman was a good man who spoke the truth,meldrew is correct there are many jews who support the Palestinians,but there are many Labour and MPs from other parties who are rabid Israeli supporters,some probably supported the South African Apartheid regime,we know many Tories did. |
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Post by sword on Nov 9, 2022 20:19:37 GMT
I hate to add some realism into this, but do you honestly think the majority of this country even care about Israel or antisemitism enough for it be an election issue? Corbyn didn't win because: 1) He sat on the fence about Brexit (despite him being massively anti-EU). 2) His spending plans escalated to a ridiculous level. 3) His own MPs wanted him out, and a divided party doesn't win elections. I could probably write another 100 reasons before we got to Israel lol. Rightwing Labour MPs wanted him out they were part of the smear.they enabled bozo the clown to become prime minister,that worked out didn't it. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 9, 2022 20:24:29 GMT
Ive made it clear where I stand on isreal in the world forum .
I agree isreali shouldn't be stealing land but Anti-semitic blame the Jewish people not the isreal state.
Like I said I worry for the plaestine people because the far right religious jews share power in isreal
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Post by sword on Nov 9, 2022 20:51:52 GMT
Ive made it clear where I stand on isreal in the world forum . I agree isreali shouldn't be stealing land but Anti-semitic blame the Jewish people not the isreal state. Like I said I worry for the plaestine people because the far right religious jews share power in isreal I have never made any antisemitic post i have always spoken out against the Israeli state and its actions. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 9, 2022 21:07:42 GMT
Why are Palestinian refugees, and their descendants given special status as refugees. They are largely kept in camps and not allowed to seek to live in many of the lands to which they have sought refuge. If we had kept the Ugandan refugees in camps pending a right of return we would be taken to task by the UN. If we tried to keep current refugees in camps we would be at odds with the law and the left would be up in arms at our inhumanity. Yet in order to keep the whole pot boiling refugees from Palestine are kept in general Limbo as their numbers increase and the anger mounts. Looking at it dispassionately one suspects that if Israel was an Arab nation then no one would be batting an eyelid if exactly the same things were being done. It is the fact that it is Jews in control that seems to grate with many most especially the Arabs and the left. It grates om me the same as the South African Apartheid State did,its not just about occupation in Palestine its naked Colonialism. What grates on you? The neighbours of Israel seem to have denied Palestinians any refugee status that the rest of us are required to do and if we did not we would be loudly castigated by the left. Uganda was a racist country that expelled people becasue of their race. We did not keep Ugandan Asians in camps pending a right of return, we allowed them to become refugees and stay. Why are Palestinians and their descendants still in camps some 70 years after the war? No one seems to have an answer for this other than to say it is all Israel's fault. It may be. But Ukraine is all Putin's fault but we try to treat Ukraine refugees in the same way as any other refugee. Why are Palestinians different in terms of their refugee status? |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 9, 2022 22:29:55 GMT
It grates om me the same as the South African Apartheid State did,its not just about occupation in Palestine its naked Colonialism. What grates on you? The neighbours of Israel seem to have denied Palestinians any refugee status that the rest of us are required to do and if we did not we would be loudly castigated by the left. Uganda was a racist country that expelled people becasue of their race. We did not keep Ugandan Asians in camps pending a right of return, we allowed them to become refugees and stay. Why are Palestinians and their descendants still in camps some 70 years after the war? No one seems to have an answer for this other than to say it is all Israel's fault. It may be. But Ukraine is all Putin's fault but we try to treat Ukraine refugees in the same way as any other refugee. Why are Palestinians different in terms of their refugee status? We saw during the Gulf War how popular the Palestinians were with the other Arab nations - more were expelled then from Arab lands than during the creation of Israel. The Palestinians are popular in the Middle East only as a diversion from the internal problems of arab states. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 10, 2022 10:24:47 GMT
Yea because even some jewish people are Anti semitic not because of so called Apartate state of isreal but because they belive the state of isreal shouldnt excist because there messiha hasnt come. its more religous then political Its religious with some fanatics but its about stealing land with most,its colonialism,and it is a Apartheid state. It could be argued that it is about 'stealing land that was stolen from them'. IMO natural justice would say that the Palestinian Jews should have an area of jurisdiction in the area of Palestine. The non-Arab Ottoman Empire, around 1850, recognised the injustice against the Jews when they abolished the status of the Dhimmi imposed by the Arab Muslims on Jews. The fact that the Palestinian Arabs along with some Muslim countries denied the Jews any Power of Jurisdiction at all in any part of Palestine, must take the major blame for the mess the area is in today. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 10, 2022 10:29:16 GMT
Ive made it clear where I stand on isreal in the world forum . I agree isreali shouldn't be stealing land but Anti-semitic blame the Jewish people not the isreal state. Like I said I worry for the plaestine people because the far right religious jews share power in isreal I have never made any antisemitic post i have always spoken out against the Israeli state and its actions. Have you ever spoken out about the Palestinian Arabs/Muslims and their actions against the Jews? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 10, 2022 10:50:29 GMT
I hate to add some realism into this, but do you honestly think the majority of this country even care about Israel or antisemitism enough for it be an election issue? Corbyn didn't win because: 1) He sat on the fence about Brexit (despite him being massively anti-EU). 2) His spending plans escalated to a ridiculous level. 3) His own MPs wanted him out, and a divided party doesn't win elections. I could probably write another 100 reasons before we got to Israel lol. Indeed.
Like being associated with a lot of unsavoury causes and coming across as a loon.
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Post by see2 on Nov 10, 2022 12:48:51 GMT
I hate to add some realism into this, but do you honestly think the majority of this country even care about Israel or antisemitism enough for it be an election issue? Corbyn didn't win because: 1) He sat on the fence about Brexit (despite him being massively anti-EU). 2) His spending plans escalated to a ridiculous level. 3) His own MPs wanted him out, and a divided party doesn't win elections. I could probably write another 100 reasons before we got to Israel lol. Rightwing Labour MPs wanted him out they were part of the smear.they enabled bozo the clown to become prime minister,that worked out didn't it. There are no such things as RIGHT-WING Labour MPs. |
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Post by sword on Nov 10, 2022 18:14:07 GMT
Rightwing Labour MPs wanted him out they were part of the smear.they enabled bozo the clown to become prime minister,that worked out didn't it. There are no such things as RIGHT-WING Labour MPs. LOL!! haaaaaaaaaaaa. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 10, 2022 18:44:11 GMT
I have never made any antisemitic post i have always spoken out against the Israeli state and its actions. Have you issraeliken out about the Palestinian Arabs/Muslims and their actions against the Jews? Like I said I support the right of Isreal to excist that includes the right to defend themselves against armed attacks and terrorists attacks from palestinals. im against the shooting of children by isrealist Soligers and the illegal settlements in plalestinian lands |
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Post by patman post on Nov 10, 2022 18:49:05 GMT
Rightwing Labour MPs wanted him out they were part of the smear.they enabled bozo the clown to become prime minister,that worked out didn't it. There are no such things as RIGHT-WING Labour MPs. OK — try Reactionary. That’s what the dregs of the Old Labour Party under Callaghan, and Trades Unions, were… |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 10, 2022 19:48:38 GMT
Some I know will mourn the passing of Corbyn and his ideology. I respect their right to feel that way. Others will look at the damage to the country his time as Labour leader resulted in - Brexit for example would almost certainly not have happened without him I certainly rejoice that there is a credible Labour leader giving real hope that the utterly shambolic Conservatives can be thrown out of No10. For the benefit of the country, it can't come soon enough as far as I am concerned. First of all, I don’t recall Corbyn doing or saying anything about Brexit. Or is that what you mean, that his silence and fence sitting was responsible for it being voted for ?? Second, you consider Starmer credible ? I mean ok as a self confessed Zionist he isn’t going to attract the comments Corbyn did from the Jewish Chronicle that no man who is not a “friend of Israel” can be allowed to become Prime Minister of the UK but that’s about all the arse has going for him. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 10, 2022 19:52:00 GMT
There are, and have been many Jewish Labour MPs who support the right of Israel to exist, but who also criticise Israel on its treatment of Palestinians. In my view, one of the very best speeches ever given in The House of Commons was by Gerald Kaufman in 2014, in which he compares the actions of Israel with those of Nazi's. www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GQDT9t2lRsThe REAL problem is that ONLY Jewish MPs are allowed to get away with saying it. I recall seeing Kaufman’s words on the Parliamentary Channel and being quite gobsmacked by them. I agree with every word he said but I’m still stunned he was allowed to say it, and as I said, were he not what he was, I’m certain he would have been ACTUALLY crucified for it |
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